Blasphemy Day

I was trying to think of a good way to celebrate Blasphemy Day.

My first thought was to throw up the sash, stick my head out the window, and yell, at the top of my lungs, “Suck it, Jesus” a la Kathy Griffin. But I realized that my closest neighbor is about a hundred yards away, and I know he’s not home today, (because he moved out about a year ago and no one else has moved in) so who’s going to hear me? Jesus? He doesn’t exist. So what would be the point?

So I tried to think of something with more spread-ability, something that would reach more people, something really obnoxious. It came to me that one of the most irritating things I have to put up with in the secular world (besides Gideon) is automated phone spam. You know, where you jump out of the shower dripping wet, a towel wrapped around your nether regions, to answer the phone, and you get two seconds of silence after you say “hello”, before a machine kicks in with a message like “Wonder Bank has a great new service to help you refinance your mortgage”, or some other sales pitch for something you clearly don’t need. So I thought it’d be great to come up with an automatic phone message that went something like this:

“Hello. This is Ima Atheist, with a special message for you.  Do you have a Bible? If so, go get it. I’ll wait….Got it? OK, now turn to Leviticus 19:12 where it says

Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

Jesus Christ on a Stick! How could anyone buy that claptrap? What a load of bullshit, etc….”

Well, you get my drift. A few hundred thousand of those calls, and I could chalk up the day as a major contribution to personal blasphemy. But in looking into the matter a little more closely, I discovered that this would actually cause me to spend money, a substantial amount too, for the equipment and technology to do this, not to mention the phone fees, licensing, attorneys fees, etc. Sorry, but I like to blaspheme with the best of them, but I’m not spending any of my hard earned atheist cash on it. There’s gotta be a cheaper way.

So I needed something that could reach a lot of people in one fell swoop, that was free, and easy to use. What could I do? What could I do? And then it hit me!

I’ve been doing it all along for the last two years. This blog. The post below, the avatar over there in my widget column, the liberal use of profanity directed at religion, I already had everything I needed to celebrate Blasphemy Day.

So, Happy Blasphemy Day! And don’t forget: Leviticus 24:16!

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141 thoughts on “Blasphemy Day

  1. Hello? Have you got Jesus Christ in a can? You do? Well you’d better let Him out, before He smites you! Hahahahaha! Happy blasphemy day! Whooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • We know exactly what we are doing.

      That was the impression you gave when we were discussing the video game incident, too – and it turned out to be false. If indeed the God you mock is real, in an instant you’ll know you were wrong and that no equivocation can save you. Are you honestly perfectly comfortable with that? I’m not even perfectly comfortable with my own attitude, and I believe.

      Gideon,

      Hi! I’m Spanish Inseminator,

      This is meant in good taste of course, but my personal nickname for SI that I’ve never uttered in public is Slothful Inductor. [/secret]

  2. Here’s one:

    Hi! I’m Spanish Inseminator, and I’m doing just that to my buddy Jimbo, the legend of Sheepy Hollow, so I can’t come to the phone right now. Please leave a message, and as soon as Jim and I are done exploring each other’s various orifices, I’ll get back to you…

    *Beeeeeeep*

  3. I’ve just been watching some episodes of South Park, and it’s amazing how much Gideon reminds me of Eric Cartman. Big talker, but gets beat up by everybody, even little girls. The resemblance is uncanny.

  4. No, I’m seriously! It’s like, I can hear Cartman’s voice when I read Gideon now. LOLOL! Things’ll never be the same again.

  5. Yeah… and is that Jimbo’s voice I hear when Ms. Garrison speaks? It would fit Jimbo’s profile, except there’s no bestiality involved. The sissy-boy image surely fits with Jimbo’s character, though…

    I’m sure there are ewes and maybe the odd ram involved in Ms. Garrison’s persona, though.

    Maybe a duck or two…

  6. I just can’t recall any big-time losers… oh, wait! Kenny! He gets offed every episode! Just like Jimbo’s life is in the crapper over losing his religion to being a Dick Dawkins knob-gobbler, Kenny gets it in the neck every time!

    Makes perfect sense Jimmy-Sue would be a South Park fan… it’s a panorama of his life!

  7. SI, I see you’ve changed your ‘look’… who do we address you as, now? Islamoslut? 😆

    This has to do with role-playing with Jimbo, right? What’s his role? A derelict that hangs out around the corral for suspiciously long periods of time?

    He’s not role-playing, you know!

    😆

  8. Anybody else notice Gideon’s unending banter concerning his fantasies of other mens’ sex lives? I mean…it’s really incessant. Constant references to their body parts, their orifices. And no matter what the subject matter, Gideon always takes it right back to mens’ crotches.

    Also, he’s talked about me having sex with my own mother. How does he know she isn’t a believing Christian? Imagine, talking like that about a supposed sister in the Lord. Love, joy, peace, longsuffering gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. These are the fruit of the Spirit, the signs of one who’s truly repented and is following Christ. But Gideon displays a general crudeness that certainly couldn’t be the result of the Holy Spirit residing within…could it?

    Your words are your witness, Gideon. You believe you’re representing Christ, don’t you? How by any stretch of the imagination do you think your behavior is evidence of anything other than a man turned over to a lascivious, reprobate mind? These aren’t slips here and there, but indicative of the kind of man you really are, Gideon. “But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.’

    If you truly believe in this God of yours, you’d best look after your own house, and get your affairs in order with Him, Gideon. Remember, the devils also believe, and tremble. Your corruption is evident for all to see. 🙂

  9. Ah, I almost forgot…bearing false witness. Another strike against you, Gideon. Another sign that you are not what you say you are. You know where liars and hypocrites go when they die, right Gideon. You might reflect on that.

  10. Damn, jim. You’ve still got it in you. That ‘on-fire’ pastor thing, I mean. Makes me wonder about your deconversion – maybe you’re not a true atheist LOL – really though, who can see but the one with eyes?

    Truthfully, I have to say that most of the time when I read Gideon, I would agree with you, though I also know how to tell when Gideon is just having harmless fun with the boys, and when actual lines have been crossed. I’ve also seen Gideon compose completely respectful and wittingly cogent arguments, full of humanity, tolerance and grace. I love Gideon though. I love all you guys, each for your own weird little ways.

  11. “Also, he’s talked about me having sex with my own mother.”

    But, Jimmy… as a Christian, I’m COMPELLED to tell the truth! You wouldn’t want me to lie, now, would you?

    Here, your mom wants to talk to you… she’ll set you straight!

    Now, aren’t you ashamed?

  12. Thanks, Gideon. I mostly just wanted to confirm the seared conscience part in the context of Christian faith. You see, I don’t believe in Christianity because I CAN’T believe in Christianity. It simply makes no sense to me anymore. But on the off-chance that its tenants are more-or-less valid, I’d hate to see somebody so close i.e. believing the Word as fact, be so far away i.e. the spiritual transformation part as attested to by a higher level of being, which SHOULD be plain to all by your personal witness and testimony.

    On the other hand, it’s very possible that you’re really an unbeliever trying to make Christians look bad through deceit. That sucks, and just makes you another internet asshole- no matter what your beliefs are. I respect truth first and foremost. Either that, or you’re just really, really stupid and don’t understand what your own beliefs have in store for you at the end. If that’s the case, and if your religion turns out to be true, you’re on your way to hell, Gideon. Biblically speaking, yours isn’t a borderline case. I’ve given you some scripture on this before. I could provide tons more, if you’re interested. And I’m not talking hard to decipher bullshit, Gideon. I’m talking the straight dope, the sharp sword that’s meant to divide truth from falsehood for all to see. With every foul word you utter, borne of decrepit imaginations, you show yourself for what you really are. Do you think if Christ really lived inside you, THIS would be the way He’d be representing Himself?

    You’re a blasphemer, Gideon. And you’re in big trouble come judgment day. Unless, of course, I’m right, and your God doesn’t exist. Still, if you’re not just some jerkoff troll playing with himself to the sound of his own puerile mischief, it’s something you might want to seriously think about, buddy.

    Happy Blasphemy Day, fellow infidel.

  13. Gideon:

    I see by your pic that you have been playing with yourself. Uncannily, I just watched a South Park episode where Cartman faked Tourettes syndrome, but his lack of conscience or discretion caused him to start blurting out his nasty little secrets. Is this one of yours, Gideon? Do you often find yourself putting men’s heads on female bodies? Well, you’re certainly celebrating Blasphemy Day in fine form! Keep it up…Jesus is watching 🙂

  14. “Well, you’re certainly celebrating Blasphemy Day in fine form! Keep it up…Jesus is watching.”

    I will! Oh, and check out my latest blog post… riot!

    cl… I think you might have a point about our friend Jimbo… he does seem a tad fond of preaching, doesn’t he? And, he’s always quoting scripture, too. Think he misses it? I mean… being a Christian?

    Maybe if he wasn’t such a loser/pussy-boy, he’d see the utter futility of adopting the dogma of a bitter old man, who blamed God for the death of his daughter. So much so, that he spun an entire religion out of his hatred for the God he held responsible for his misery.

    Maybe if he was a REAL man, he’d do what he knows is right, eh?

    And not a whining, bitter little shadow of one!

  15. Gideon:

    “Think he misses it? I mean… being a Christian?”

    Just the judging part. Then again, with fodder like you around… 🙂

  16. Did someone judge you, Jimmy? What, were you diddling an alter boy or a deacon’s wife on the side? Were there any Maude Flanders-types there to tempt you?

    Ned Flanders?

    Share with us, Jimmy.

  17. Tut, tut. You just can’t keep your mind from going to those naughty places, can you, Gideon? That should tell you something about yourself. Think Jesus approves?

  18. Goodnight, fellow blasphemers, INCLUDING the in-the-closet ones like Gideon who spit on their God with every foul word and thought. Nobody rubs God’s face in shit quite like the pretenders, now do they? Think there’ll be hymns in hell, sung by the likes of Gideon in a belated attempt at groveling?

    Nah, we most likely die and rot in the ground. Life’s kinda silly that way. Nobody wins.

    Niters!

  19. Oh, glad I caught you there, Gideon old chap. Nope, no adultery. Kids don’t hate the ex. And the reason I keep bringing Jesus up? Well, somebody should represent Him in the spirit of truth, shouldn’t they? And since there aren’t any true Christians here, I felt it was my duty to step in. How’d I do? 🙂

    Niters, Gideon. Hope you’re not Catholic…you know how they feel about that masturbation thang. Of course, considering your object of affection, I don’t think Martin Luther’s gonna be able to pull many strings for you. Jebus don’ hab no fon’ness fo’ you peeverts, y’know.

    P.S. Know what else. Every time you feel obliged to reply in a non-Christian manner, you just dig a bigger hole for yourself. Ain’t irony a bitch?

  20. “P.S. Know what else. Every time you feel obliged to reply in a non-Christian manner, you just dig a bigger hole for yourself.”

    Oh… I guess I touched a chord, there, eh, Jim? Probably a tad sensitive about that, huh? No worries… you don’t have to answer.

    Remember… cl and I love you.

    Nite-nite.

    😉

  21. Gideon:

    LOLOLOLOL! Weakest response yet! A lot more restrained than usual, as well. Gettin’ a ‘tad sensitive’ about that hell thing, no doubt. Btw, I did answer. Wassa matta? Sweat gettin’ in your eyes? Because in the back of your mind you know I’m right, and that you’re not tracking as a true ‘born-again’? True repentance brings forth fruit, m’man. Finally admitting you’re just playing a game with yourself? Using Jesus as a cheap insurance policy, when what he demands is more than just lip service? You’ve got a lot of thinking and praying to do tonight, Gideon. Best leave the pillow be for right now. It’ll be there in the morning.

    Niters, for good this time.

  22. Gideon,

    Here, your mom wants to talk to you… she’ll set you straight!

    I almost fell off my chair I laughed so hard at that picture! Nice Photoshop job.

    cl… I think you might have a point about our friend Jimbo… he does seem a tad fond of preaching, doesn’t he?

    Actually, no. I think Philly is the biggest atheist preacher of this bunch. He’s the one who most often resorts to emotion, which is what most people typically associate with preaching.

    Think he misses it? I mean… being a Christian?

    Well, not to be the psychoanalyst or anything, but since you asked – I do think perhaps jim misses something about his previous belief. I don’t think jim misses Christians, or Christianity, sloppy apologetics or any of the other things that go along with compromise.

    Maybe if he wasn’t such a loser/pussy-boy, he’d see the utter futility of adopting the dogma of a bitter old man, who blamed God for the death of his daughter… is that why your daughters hate your ex?

    FYI, these are examples of what I was referring to in my “cross the line” remark. I would agree with jim – these are exactly the “reckless words” Proverbs tells us “pierce like a sword.” I know sometimes we’re just trying to be funny and that’s cool, but can’t you see how this potentially damages your position? More to the heart of the matter, what’s the motive? Those are really hurtful words. There are people who’ve committed suicide over less and you’re taking a big risk by making sport of what are probably the most difficult memories in jim’s life. I’ve gotten pretty frustrated with jim before, and certainly wanted to lash out, but I don’t because I know that we’re just hard-headed people and not much is really worth lashing out over. Don’t get me wrong Gideon – I love ya to death – and that’s why I’m concerned. Even if you really are the Exterminator or Trinity or SI or Philly.

    jim,

    On the other hand, it’s very possible that you’re really an unbeliever trying to make Christians look bad through deceit. That sucks, and just makes you another internet asshole- no matter what your beliefs are.

    I wrestle here, too. Although I’m leaning more towards “legit” than not, I often wonder if ‘ole Gideon ain’t the Exterminator, or another one of SI’s buddies that he allows to use sockpuppets. Then again, SI’s emotions of frustration in response to Gideon seem pretty authentic too, which is another strike in the “legit” category.

    ..since there aren’t any true Christians here, I felt it was my duty to step in.

    Hey, speak for Gideon all you want, but keep me out of this.

  23. I like the naked Mary pictures.

    I’d have to say that I don’t care for the idea of Blasphemy Day because it really validates religion and the idea of blasphemy, which is ridiculous. I’d rather support a Free Speech Day.

    Love the Leviticus. That book is always a source of amusement, almost as much as the rationalizations for getting out of most of those rules.

  24. <em?"Gettin’ a ‘tad sensitive’ about that hell thing, no doubt."

    Nope, don’t think so! In fact, this is great sport! I went to bed laughing my ass off! I don’t lose any sleep over assholes.

    cl… glad you loved the pic. Also, I think you’re confusing the daughters/ex thing with the history behind Darwin’s apostasy. Darwin wussed out over the loss of his daughter… blamed God for it.

    You want to know more about the sheep-boy, ask him. Better yet, read his blogs… if you can do it without laughing your ass off!

  25. cl

    If indeed the God you mock is real, in an instant you’ll know you were wrong and that no equivocation can save you. Are you honestly perfectly comfortable with that?

    That sounds suspiciously like a rehash of Pascal’s Wager to me, and you know where I stand on that.

    I try to avoid hypocrisy. I’m human, and have to watch myself, but generally, I think I do OK on that matter. But If I say I’m not convinced that gods exist, that there is no evidence, so far, for even a hint of the supernatural, then I would be a hypocrite to shy away from blasphemy, now wouldn’t I?

    So yes, I’m perfectly comfortable with that.

    And I’ll ask you: Do you really believe in a god that would eternally torment you for a little humor at his expense?

  26. IF there’s an afterlife and
    IF there’s only two afterlife options, a good and bad one, and
    IF the bad one is an eternity of torture and
    IF the good one is an eternity of bliss, and
    IF which one you go to is dependent upon abiding by the commands of a deity and
    IF abiding by those commands are contrary to what you think is either warranted or morally right,

    Then how is eternal bliss possible knowing you lived what you see as a dishonest and immoral life in order to get to this good afterlife? I suppose it depends upon how much integrity you have. Many haven’t much, I think, so they have no problem selling their soul (pardon the phrase) to get ahead, and rationalizing it with some ends justify the means thinking.

    Eternal bliss would be impossible for me to achieve in such a scenario. Both options would be torturous, one physical, one mental.

  27. Philly:

    Haven’t you heard? God wipes away all those bad ol’ memories of your loved ones burning in hell, so you’ll be happy. Bliss is heavenly Prosac, turned up REAL high. Cut with a little holy amnesia, of course.

    S.I.:

    Looks like Darth Vader got his groove back! You go, girl!

  28. Gideon,

    ..you’re confusing the daughters/ex thing with the history behind Darwin’s apostasy. Darwin wussed out over the loss of his daughter… blamed God for it.

    Gotcha. My mistake. Still, I’ve heard you say things that cross the line, in my opinion. That’s all I was trying to say, and it wasn’t meant in a spirit of judgment.

    SI,

    That sounds suspiciously like a rehash of Pascal’s Wager to me, and you know where I stand on that.

    It wasn’t. It was a sincere question, not an attempt at intellectual coercion. But I understand if you’d rather not give a sincere answer.

    If I say I’m not convinced that gods exist, that there is no evidence, so far, for even a hint of the supernatural, then I would be a hypocrite to shy away from blasphemy, now wouldn’t I?

    No. Not any more than you would be a hypocrite if you shy away from insulting a new planet between Jupiter and Saturn. I wouldn’t have asked the question if you merely rested in humble uncertainty. While you say you’re not convinced that God exists, you do proceed with a proud confidence that suggests you are convinced God doesn’t exist. That’s what I’m struggling to understand: such smugness given the epistemic disadvantages.

    Do you really believe in a god that would eternally torment you for a little humor at his expense?

    Well, I don’t think God takes blasphemy lightly, but the answer to your question is no. Do you? If so, that helps me understand more of the reason you’re an atheist.

    PhillyChief,

    Of course, there’s always the possibility that your understanding of the Gospel could be inaccurate, but I know the possibility of being wrong is anathema to you. If there is an afterlife, do you really believe that your own morality and wisdom will sustain you?

  29. But I understand if you’d rather not give a sincere answer.

    My answer was sincere.

    No. Not any more than you would be a hypocrite if you shy away from insulting a new planet between Jupiter and Saturn.

    That doesn’t parse. Blasphemy has a specific definition, with alleged consequences for violation. Insulting planets? C’mon.

    While you say you’re not convinced that God exists, you do proceed with a proud confidence that suggests you are convinced God doesn’t exist.

    As with everything in my life, I proceed based on reasonable certainty. I’m reasonably certain there is no such thing as gods, and I’m more than reasonably certain that there is no personal god such as the Christian one. So, I live my life accordingly.

    My “proud confidence”, I might suggest, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.

  30. My answer was sincere.

    If so, I apologize. You often respond with coy answers to deflect deep questions. I thought maybe you were doing that here, because your “Pascal’s Wager” remark suggested that you were hearing something different than what I was intending.

    That doesn’t parse. Blasphemy has a specific definition, with alleged consequences for violation. Insulting planets? C’mon.

    See the forest through the trees here: you asked if you’d be a hypocrite for not blaspheming God given your opinion that no evidence exists. The implication is that not insulting that for which we believe no evidence exists is hypocritical, yet, the only thing I ever hear you insult in this category is God and those who believe.

    As with everything in my life, I proceed based on reasonable certainty. I’m reasonably certain there is no such thing as gods,

    You were also reasonably certain you understood the video game incident while you went on insulting me about it – and it turned out your reasonable certainty was based on misunderstanding. That’s why I find your lack of humility strange. I know that I’m often wrong about many things, so I try to proceed with humility.

  31. “Still, I’ve heard you say things that cross the line, in my opinion.”

    Don’t let it keep you awake at night, cl. These a-holes don’t worry about your sensibilities at all.

    As you’ve noticed, they are well able to look after their little selves, amateurish as they are.

    Yo, Rotundo, nice shot of your ass, there! Do you always shove implements of war up there, or is it your dildo’s batteries gave out, again? I keep telling you, use Energizers! Jimbo does, plus he has the added benefit of adding yet another furry little friend to his harem.

    SI… I’m thinking a shot of Dicky-D doing Darwin in the Galapagos would be a neat post. Or, seeing as you’re both of the limp-wrist persuasion, maybe each other? Jimbo, our barnyard Romeo, seems to think I have a predilection for sexual innuendo, but, I think he’s not noticing the rich opportunities he has in you! Or, maybe he HAS been in you?

    Jimbo, you still didn’t answer my question, son, were you a wino is why you left the church? Pedophile? Knob-gobbler? Back-door man? Doper? Peter-pumper?

    cl’s worried you might commit suicide… you wouldn’t do that, would you? I wouldn’t want you to commit suicide… you wouldn’t commit suicide, would you? Commit suicide? You wouldn’t commit suicide, would you, Jimbo? Commit suicide. Commit suicide…

    (Oops! Forgot to insert a question mark!)

    *Snicker*

  32. Gideon: Have you prayed on the possibility that Satan is deceiving you into thinking you’re doing the Lord’s work with these venom- and obsenity-filled posts? Have you shown any of these threads to your spiritual advisor or church group members? What do you think their reaction would be?

  33. Don’t let it keep you awake at night, cl. These a-holes don’t worry about your sensibilities at all.

    I don’t lose any sleep over your spiritual condition, and I agree these folk don’t worry about my sensibilities at all.

    cl’s worried you might commit suicide…

    No, I’m not. I was just noting that in the context I understood your comments – which you clarified – seemed hurtful. Myself, I’m a fan of making points with reason, not emotion and insult.

    Don’t you ever wonder if your comments might be pushing people further away from the message they espouse? I do (about my own comments, that is).

  34. Gideon:

    “Jimbo, you still didn’t answer my question, son, were you a wino is why you left the church? Pedophile? Knob-gobbler? Back-door man? Doper? Peter-pumper?”

    None of the above. I stopped believing in God for the same reasons people stop believing in Santa Claus. Actually, God IS the adult version of Santa Claus. So, Gideon, when did YOU stop believing? Or did you ever believe? Do you pretend in your real life? You know, going to church, fellowshipping, that sort of thing? Then sneak home to the porno (you’re obviously into porn in a BIG way. Kinky stuff, too).

    Or is your cognitive dissonance more pronounced than in somewhat more authentic believers? Do you actually manage to rationalize your Sodomite-like behavior in the context of Christian faith? You say you sleep soundly. Considering your deviation from the biblical belief system you pretend to adhere to, you’re either a total fake, or have some kind of multiple personality disorder. If you don’t think so, how’s about you share some of your bloggings with your pastor. See what he thinks.

    Nice touch, urging someone towards suicide; even facetiously. I don’t know too many folks who’d go that far. How do you justify that one? All fun and games? LOLOL! Banter between the boys? Thought you guys were supposed to rise above that stuff, instead of settling in at the lowest point. Oh well, maybe cl can soften the blow for you a little more, you being on his team and all.

    Btw, I’ll reiterate at this point that if you’re actually an unbeliever playing games, you can go fuck yourself. I hold utter contempt for you. I know you don’t care- internet trolls never do- but I thought I’d say it just the same. You’re a waste of space. Otherwise, keep on being a shining example for the non-existence of the holy spirit. I mean, if you actually think you’re a sincere Christian in the face of all the evidence against it, you’re simply stupid, and I sort of pity you.

    Ok, now that’s off my chest, I think I’m done with you. Like I said…waste of space. Good luck with your tedious performance art, or self-delusion, or whatever it is that powers your efforts. Buh-bye. 🙂

  35. jim,

    I’ve lost too many to suicide to take it lightly, but that’s just me. I know that many who we see each and every day – many who seem completely nonchalant and happy – struggle with suicidal thoughts.

    Considering your deviation from the biblical belief system you pretend to adhere to, you’re either a total fake, or have some kind of multiple personality disorder.

    Well, let’s not jump to false dichotomies yet. It’s also possible that Gideon really doesn’t understand which of his jokes cross the Bible’s lines. It’s also possible that he understands perfectly, and like Paul and the rest of us, struggles. That I’ve seen cogent and courteous diatribe from Gideon suggests that he does take our criticisms seriously.

    Oh well, maybe cl can soften the blow for you a little more, you being on his team and all.

    A little more? I haven’t softened the blow for anybody. I’ve taken your side here.

  36. cl to Gideon

    Don’t you ever wonder if your comments might be pushing people further away from the message they espouse?

    Can’t speak for others, but he’s the best damn advertisement for the idiocy he calls Christianity I’ve ever seen. He confirms my atheism. In spades.

  37. Gee, that’s original!

    Gee. I was expecting a different response. Maybe something like, oh, I don’t know… How about:

    I almost fell off my chair I laughed so hard at that picture! Nice Photoshop job.

  38. “I don’t lose any sleep over your spiritual condition, and I agree these folk don’t worry about my sensibilities at all.”

    Good.

    “Gideon: Have you prayed on the possibility… yada, yada…”

    Ildiot… skirting around the obvious (cl, take note) sarcasm in your question, yes, I have. And, since you’re either too menopausal or simply too stupid to recognize what’s pretty obvious to anyone else examining the content and quality of SI’s posts, I’d have to say…

    *Commentator’s note: For Gideon’s shocking answer to Ildiot’s question, be sure and tune in same time, next week, for another exciting episode of: Spanish Inquisitor – Lawyer/Shyster/Sock-Puppet Extraordinaire!

    Sheepmaster: See ya! Be good, and don’t commit suicide or anything, please, okay… will ya?

    😆

  39. Well, jim, I think we have our answer. Gideon is a particularly virulent troll, and I’m killfiling him.

  40. “Gee. I was expecting a different response.”

    Wassa matter, Bunky… jealous? 😆

    Maybe the response you expected was… “Gee, SI, can’t you activate your half-a-brain long enough to devise a different and more imaginative response?”

    Or…

    “Are you so absorbed with women in bondage that you can’t envision any other insulting image to a faith that millions invoke?”

    Or…

    “You’re a sad little punk, SI.”

    Or…

    All of the above?

  41. “Gideon is a particularly virulent troll, and I’m killfiling him.”

    That’s not the tune you were singing last night, out behind the 7-11, on top of that old discarded cardboard, Pookie!

    It was more like: “You’re the king, baby!”

    Sure… give ’em what they want, then they’re gone! Same old.

    😉

  42. ildi:

    I suppose the only real question in my mind has been ‘which kind of troll?’ If he’s actually a sincere Christian, this pretty much puts the kibosh on the idea of an indwelling god-presence. Just doesn’t fly. Not that I personally question the holy spirit’s non-existence, but it might provide some shaking up in believers who are on the fence. I met one like that the other day, who stopped believing because of the schism between the beliefs and actions of so many supposedly committed Christians. All for the good, I’d say, and probably a positive reason for S.I. to have let him post his imbecility for so long.

    I’ve always wondered why some adults don’t grow out of this stage, though. You see Gideons everywhere, not just on religious forums. People in their 30s, 40s and 50s acting out like petulant children. Purposely disrupting conversations just because they can. Emotional stunting of some kind, to be sure.

  43. “I’ve always wondered why some adults don’t grow out of this stage, though. You see Gideons everywhere, not just on religious forums. People in their 30s, 40s and 50s acting out like petulant children. Purposely disrupting conversations just because they can. Emotional stunting of some kind, to be sure.”

    Listen to him, Ildiot. He knows what he’s talking about!

  44. I don’t have any trouble sleeping at night, Jimbo. I don’t have the lives of two daughters on my conscience!

    😉

  45. I see you’re doing damage control, big-time, Jimmy… I particularly like that closing remark!

    I can see where I guy that doesn’t like kids would use them as weapons against their mother.

  46. Funny thing; the thread goes down to about half its length when the venomous snake/trollbot is killfiled!

  47. All for the good, I’d say, and probably a positive reason for S.I. to have let him post his imbecility for so long.

    Well, you have a stronger stomach than I do. Disemvowel him, I say!

  48. “Well, you have a stronger stomach than I do. Disemvowel him, I say!”

    Last night you were saying; “Do me harder, Gideon, I like it rough!”

    She’s a piece from hell, I’m telling ya!

  49. Ildi:

    I already did a while back, but different strokes, y’know? Part of the internet experience, I guess 😦

  50. “Part of the internet experience, I guess”

    And, part of that “experience” is encountering whiny little pussies that drop less-than-obvious hints to their host that he’s not policing his blog, properly, right Jimbo? Ildiot?

    That is, when they can’t outperform their adversary, they resort to whining and crying. Seen it many times.

    Well, SI? How about it? Gonna cave and give the widdle babies their wish? That’s what they want you to do, but, are too gutless to ask. Maybe, if the kitchen’s too hot, they’d better go home and pout there?

    Atheists. All talk, no action!

    😆

  51. I’d love to think I get all these comments because of what I write, but sadly it turns out that ildi is correct. About half the posts are from the gidiot, who has this infuriating inability to put all of his thoughts and responses in one comment. He has to stretch them out over two or three.

    [Ok. I lied. He only has 24 comments on this 67 comment post. Only 36%]

  52. Maybe you two ought to go home and perform lewd geriatric love-gymnastics on one another? Then, whine about how good it wasn’t?

    😉

  53. SI,

    [Gideon] confirms my atheism.

    Why confirm your worldview based off the actions of others?

    I was expecting a different response.

    Hey, nothing personal, but originality gets my vote, not mimicry.

    jim,

    If he’s actually a sincere Christian, this pretty much puts the kibosh on the idea of an indwelling god-presence.

    It’s possible, but it could be that he’s a sincere Christian, indwelt and all, just grieving the spirit. No believer reflects God’s will for their lives 100% of the time.

    I met one like that the other day, who stopped believing because of the schism between the beliefs and actions of so many supposedly committed Christians.

    This is one of the most irrational and illogical reasons to abandon any idea.

  54. Well, you’re probably doing your civic duty, S.I. If the gollum/troll didn’t post here, he’d probably be stalking young girls and boys on Facebook or something.

    If the sick one is in fact a True Christian, it’s the only argument I have in favor of superstitious belief. Think what he’d be doing if the threat of hell didn’t hold him back… (shudder)

  55. The other half are from our suicidal antisocial, trying to remind himself he still has purpose in a meaningless life, and, from a frustrated old prude with recurrent hot-flashes and memory lapses.

    Like she can’t remember last night… 😆 😆

    Okay for you, girlie!

    😉

  56. In a way, SI, I think you’ve gotten what you deserve, although I don’t expect any atheists to agree. With your own irreverence taken into consideration, it’s perfectly fitting for someone like Gideon to be here heckling you guys. Would I be more impressed and less confused if he stuck to cogency and courtesy? Sure, but I doubt it would matter a lick to anyone here, who see fit to treat someone like me – who really does try to come in peace and without the vitriol – just the same, and just as thankless.

    Gideon is to the New Atheism what Dawkins is to Christianity. Now that you find yourself on this side, it’s not so constructive, is it?

    • Now how on earth did I correctly predict that you’d be fine with trolling as long as it was done from your position? Go figure.

      • How on earth did I correctly predict that when I followed your link here, there wouldn’t be an argument, but just another pet assumption? Oh yeah – because you don’t actually make arguments here – you taunt.

        You need to pay more attention, TOG. There’s no “as long as,” because I’ve never had a problem with what you whiners call “trolling” – not even real trolling, like what Gideon sometimes does. Often, it’s the “troll police” who have the real issues.

        An idea: maybe sometime here on SI’s site, you can actually contribute something to one of these discussions? Maybe ask an honest question with the intention of learning? Or, if those won’t work, anything at all that’s not an expression of your emotions and opinions about other people.

  57. “Well, you’re probably doing your civic duty, S.I. If the gollum/troll didn’t post here, he’d probably be stalking young girls and boys on Facebook or something.”

    How about YOU doing your civic duty, Ildiot? Like last night, on top of those old mattresses out behind the YMCA?

    Or, last week under the bleachers at your old alma mater where you were a freshman, 65 years ago?

    Or, back behind the pig barn, where you interrupted Jimbo in one of his favorite nocturnal activities?

  58. cl:

    “I met one like that the other day, who stopped believing because of the schism between the beliefs and actions of so many supposedly committed Christians.

    This is one of the most irrational and illogical reasons to abandon any idea.”

    Not at all. After awhile, the data points become convincing enough to come to conclusions.

    “It’s possible, but it could be that he’s a sincere Christian, indwelt and all, just grieving the spirit. No believer reflects God’s will for their lives 100% of the time.”

    You’re mitigating. This is the mindset that morphs monsters into saints.

    “…someone like me – who really does try to come in peace and without the vitriol.”

    You have a deluded sense of yourself. THAT seemingly is never going to change.

  59. “Gideon is to the New Atheism what Dawkins is to Christianity.”

    Hey… that’s got a nice ring to it!

    I like it!

    😎

  60. In a way, SI, I think you’ve gotten what you deserve,…

    With that observation, it seems you’re under the (mis)impression that I think the Giddyup is some sort of affliction. While he does have plague like attributes, as I’ve repeatedly said, this blog doesn’t cost me anything. Anyone can comment. I don’t care.

    And The GidMeister is his own worst enemy, and my best advertisement. So he can comment all he wants, as long as he doesn’t get disruptive, which I think is hard to do with mere words.

    I know you’re always looking for a good discussion, and often Gid’s not very accommodating in that regard, but if you have to plow through his comments to get to the gems that Evo, Jim, Philly, Chappie and I write, (not to mention all the others) well, I guess that’s the price of admission. 8)

  61. “And The GidMeister is his own worst enemy, and my best advertisement. So he can comment all he wants, as long as he doesn’t get disruptive…”

    Atta boy, SI!

    *Flipping bird at Jim-Bob & Dildo-it*

    😈

  62. “Would I be more impressed and less confused if he stuck to cogency and courtesy?”

    cl… that’s for places where these attributes are both relevant and desired.

    This place ain’t one of ’em.

  63. jim,

    Not at all. After awhile, the data points become convincing enough to come to conclusions.

    I disagree. Abandoning a belief on behalf of the personalities of a subset of those who hold said belief is neither logical or rational. It’s fallacious to the core. It’s a fallacy that leads to prejudice and bias of all sorts: “People who do X are Y. I dislike Y. Therefore, I abandon X.”

    You’re mitigating. This is the mindset that morphs monsters into saints.

    Please listen – I make no attempt to “soften” or “mitigate” anything here. I’ve taken your side (to an extent), and I’ve told Gideon exactly what I think. The additional options with which I responded to you were not intended to mitigate or soften Gideon’s offenses, but to cover all possible bases in our chain of reasoning. Cogency, not mitigation.

    You have a deluded sense of yourself.

    Of course I do! I can’t perceive myself objectively. Nobody can. That’s why we need each other. Do you have a deluded sense of yourself, jim? If your answer is no, then surely you do.

    So, assign whatever motives you want to my actions, but if you want clarity I suggest challenging your assumptions so you can make a right judgment. You’ll either see me for what I really am one day, or you’ll continue to see me for what you think I am.

    SI,

    ..it seems you’re under the (mis)impression that I think the Giddyup is some sort of affliction.

    Though you’re playing it down now, Gideon had you so flustered last week you were about to cry, and you know it. I know you know this, because you have integrity. People with integrity respond seriously when their integrity is called into question.

    ..if you have to plow through his comments to get to the gems that Evo, Jim, Philly, Chappie and I write, (not to mention all the others) well, I guess that’s the price of admission.

    Speaking of gems, let’s not pretend – this ain’t no intellectual quarry, SI. I’m not trying to be hurtful here, as I really do think you’re an intelligent, decent guy, but though I believe you’re capable, I’ve not heard you make an intelligent, decent argument that I can remember. Evo? Once or twice. Philly? It happens. jim? He’s got all of you licked when it comes to cogency. Chappie? She can turn it on at times, too. You don’t even fully read your opponents’ arguments – it’s simply, “Dismiss first, ask questions later.”

  64. Gideon had you so flustered last week…

    I don’t know where you got that idea. If you’re talking about my comment non-policy, I simply needed to correct the inaccuracies (Christians call them lies) he was spreading around other blogs about me censoring his comments.

  65. While I personally love “the gems that Evo, Jim, Philly, Chappie” and everyone else write, I have to admit I often find myself combing the threads looking for Gideon’s comments.

    He’s a provocative and funny as… what was his name? Lex… Tex… ah, nevermind.

    Keep it up, Gideon!

  66. SI,

    My remark was that in my opinion, you’d gotten what you deserve. This stands whether you think Gideon is an affliction or not.

  67. cl – “If indeed the God you mock is real, in an instant you’ll know you were wrong and that no equivocation can save you. Are you honestly perfectly comfortable with that? I’m not even perfectly comfortable with my own attitude, and I believe.”

    LOL! I’m sorry. I know that I’m mocking you on a certain level, but it honestly isn’t meant in any kind of a hateful way — whatever you may think. It’s just so head-spinning silly.

    Folks, this is what Dawkins and others mean about child-abuse. And, no, I don’t know that you specifically grew up with some parent or grandparent telling you about god’s love and Satan’s hell, but I’d bet on it.

    No one who grew up in a secular environment or around Hindus or Buddhists would have that sort of a reaction to blasphemy against Yahweh or Jesus. You might have worked the whole story into your own more rational preconceptions as an adult, but it was burned into you as a child and still has you by the balls.

    Again, this is *not* personal. It’s true of everyone who gets that little chill down their spine over so-called blasphemy.

    Oh, and how glad am I that I didn’t get in early on this and hit the “notify me” box? Really, really pleased. I’ll just stop in when I’m ready and skim over Gideon and responses to him. LOL!

    I spent my day blaspheming on YouTube. Well, at least I spent my day enjoying blasphemy there and contributed a little. 😀

  68. “Folks, this is what Dawkins and others mean about child-abuse.”

    Yo, John-Boy, how’s my favorite skull? Lookin’ more like your Uncle Piltdown every day, son!

    Whoa! Dawkins talking about child abuse? You mean, like the kind he’d like to perpetrate on society by removing Christian kids from their homes, and force-feeding them that BULLSHIT/BALONEY/CRAPOLA he’s got you hood-winked on? The rantings of that psychotic, fur-faced, pseudo-scientist, Charles Darwin? It is to laugh!

    Yeah, I watched your vid. What you got in that tank, behind you, there… early man? 😆 No, seriously, are you duplicating the first emergence of life in that tank? Anything come of it? No multi-legged freaks to speak of? If there are, do they look like this?

    Say, we don’t know our Bible very well, do we, Johnny? What’s this shit about “hell” not being in the Old Testament? Yeah, right around the 1:08 mark on your frothy diatribe, there, you said that Christ was the one that brought hell into existence. Wrong, dead wrong. Like I said… better read your Bible, boy!

    Never figured you for a fucking liar, John-O. I can see Philly Chief, SI, and Jimbo lying, but, not you… till now! I guess lying is part and parcel with being an atheist, eh? Sad. But, predictable.

    Your guru, Richard Dawkins, is an accomplished liar, and a pasty-faced freak! This tyrannical bastard is a role model for you, isn’t he? Too bad somebody wouldn’t pop a cap on that blowhard, he’s a public nuisance! Him and that idiot Condell, another weird waste of skin.

    Well, I hope you had a great Blasphemy Day… I did! Kicking atheist ass and taking names. Too bad I don’t get paid for this, it’s great fun!

    Later… I’m going to bed, and dream sweet dreams of Dawkins being drawn and quartered, and fed to monkeys.

    Would that be cannibalism?

  69. I’m told that I commit a horrible blasphemy simply by not believing, by being indifferent to the whole thing. Further, ‘society’ blasphemes by ALLOWING me to go my way with no interference. These are both ‘great wrongs’.

    cl, I’m sure that most of us could meet you with a handshake, sit down to some tuck, have a pretty nice discussion of many things; whither health care, what’s to be done with the proud, noble, but hopeless redneck*, cabbages, kings, the price of wheat in China, etc. and part with a handshake and a smile. Most of us ‘awful’ atheists and xians interact thusly on a daily basis.

    But…we have another visitor, you know who…

    If his belief system is supposed to be for ‘good’, why does it seem to have failed so spectacularly to make him happy? Why does it seem to have failed to influence any kind of concern, fostered any fellow feeling?

    I see separation, anger, so much doubt that dammit, he has to MAKE it work. I’m ‘in’, you’re ‘out’ so I have ‘more’, and ‘you’ are contemptible.

    Mostly, this person exemplifies the kind of people a lot of us got tired of dealing with, the little people who were white-knuckling their way.

    Spend an eternity with people like that. Oh. What. Untold. Joy. And. Bliss.

  70. “I’m told that I commit a horrible blasphemy simply by not believeing, by being indifferent to the whole thing.”

    Same here, Sarge. And, as for me interacting with those of different faith and ideologies, parting with a handshake and smile, etc, I do that every day, and quite well, thanks! But, here, there are an entirely different creed that seek to do the things that you so sagely and subtly (and malevolently) seek to do with me.

    Well, I’m not going to let your veteran’s status stand in my way when I tell you that you have shit for brains if you think that I am the only antagonist in this scenario. If you honestly think I am, then you’d better check for errant and hitherto undetected shrapnel in your upper extremities, or, learn how to read.

    And, you don’t have to deal with me, or spend eternity with me… read me, soldier?

  71. What’s “head-spinning silly” here Evo are the faulty premises on which you’ve based your argument. This is why I’m always suggesting that you either come to my blog and read for the answers instead of reason from assumptions.

    I don’t know that you specifically grew up with some parent or grandparent telling you about god’s love and Satan’s hell, but I’d bet on it… You might have worked the whole story into your own more rational preconceptions as an adult, but it was burned into you as a child and still has you by the balls.

    ..and that’d be a losing bet, my friend.

    It’s true of everyone who gets that little chill down their spine over so-called blasphemy.

    I don’t get a chill in my spine when people blaspheme: it’s more like a real pain in my heart or a genuine empathy. The emotional reaction you’re assuming I’m having isn’t the emotional reaction I’m actually having. It seems you’re thinking my reaction is like that of the conservatives portrayed in anti-marijuana propaganda in the 50’s. Remember that online communication is especially difficult because we lack things that would otherwise serve as indicators of emotional reaction: facial expression, inflection, posture, etc.

    No one who grew up in a secular environment or around Hindus or Buddhists would have that sort of a reaction to blasphemy against Yahweh or Jesus.

    As support for your claim that I had this fear burned into me by mom or granny, that logic fails, too. People’s beliefs determine their emotional reactions to blasphemy, not their cultural upbringing.

    I realize your comment had a tongue-in-cheek element to it and wasn’t necessarily intended as an outstanding example of cogency, but your logic is absolutely piss-poor this time ’round.

    Sarge,

    cl, I’m sure that most of us could meet you with a handshake, sit down to some tuck, have a pretty nice discussion of many things; whither health care, what’s to be done with the proud, noble, but hopeless redneck*, cabbages, kings, the price of wheat in China, etc. and part with a handshake and a smile. Most of us ‘awful’ atheists and xians interact thusly on a daily basis.

    I agree. Those that’d fall outside that “most of us” group are closed-minded, and I’ve never associated atheists were awful. I believe the position is inherently foolish, but that’s what they believe about mine and we all gotta live in the same world for now. Besides, I just like people. I love character. By profession I’m an author/screenwriter who spends a lot of time thinking in terms of character. So, I’d sit down to some tuck with just about anyone.

    If his belief system is supposed to be for ‘good’, why does it seem to have failed so spectacularly to make him happy?

    My response here would be biblical belief isn’t intended to make us happy: it’s intended to recompensate for wrongdoing in a way that we ourselves could never effect. Nothing annoys me more than people having discussions about whether somebody is “really saved” or not, and that’s not where I intend to go with Gideon at all. Although I really don’t think it’s inherently some kind of sin to mock mockers, and although the Bible asks believers to present the Gospel with boldness, it also asks believers to proceed with grace and salt, and to refrain from coarse language and insult – so – I agree that yes, the bulk and intent of Gideon’s recent barrage of comments confuses me but I can’t pronounce judgment on him or Christianity because I don’t know what’s going on here. I trust that if Gideon’s the real deal, he’ll take the matters to the Lord (he says he already has, and if he did, time will tell whether he heard what the Lord said or not). OTOH, I’m generally a pretty happy guy as far as dispositions go, but believe me, the weight of the world in perspective with what I believe crushes me to the size of an atom at times.

    Why does it seem to have failed to influence any kind of concern, fostered any fellow feeling?

    I would actually say that it has. That Gideon is possibly frustrated and resorted to mocking mockers doesn’t mean he’s not concerned. In fact, I say it’s good evidence for the opposite. But I do agree with you that at times, Gideon’s comments do show a genuine lack of empathy. Hell, we’ve all been there – and to those who I can hear chuckling, “HaHa yeah right I’ve never came off like as much of a jerk as Gideon” I say you need to be more discerning.

    I see separation, anger, so much doubt that dammit, he has to MAKE it work.

    I don’t see that he’s angry. Doubting? Probably not, but I can see how others might walk away with that conclusion, and this is why I often attempt to corral Gideon back into cogency. He’s got the ability. If in fact Gideon is motivated by the drive to “MAKE it work,” a brief little stroll through John 6 should take care of that.

    Spend an eternity with people like that. Oh. What. Untold. Joy. And. Bliss.

    Well, that you’d not want to spend eternity with Gideon is not an argument I can refute. But, I like the guy. With the things we just discussed still in consideration, he cheers me up and makes me laugh uproariously. He beat Philly at his own game.

  72. But, I like the guy

    I’ll be the last person to make a firm judgment about anyone on the basis of online connections. I’ve met a lot of people I initially had contact with through online discussions, and to a person, I like them all. Maybe that says more about me than them. I don’t know.

    The only thing I can judge is the intentionally advanced online persona he creates, and puts forward as himself. That persona I find to be tiresome, obnoxious, and insufferable, which I suspect pleases him to no end. But for all we know, he’s not the burly, well hung, truck driving ladies man he wants us to believe he is, but Wally Cox.

    And his persistent scatological responses are getting really old. OK. We know he has a talent for sexual euphemisms. He needs to get over it and move on. We’re suitably (un)impressed. For someone who thinks we’re all a bunch of losers, he seems to be unable to pull himself away from us. What’s that say about him? (Hint: it begins with a capital “L”)

  73. That persona I find to be tiresome, obnoxious, and insufferable, which I suspect pleases him to no end.

    Ah, so it turns out that Gideon is in fact more of an affliction than you lead us to believe, right? Use of the word insufferable seems particularly incriminating here. So, Gideon’s not an affliction, he’s just tiresome, obnoxious, and insufferable, and I’m the one who always plays with semantics. Gotcha.

  74. 😆

    SI… how DARE you claim I’m not well-hung! There must be a THOUSAND waitresses out there that could dispute your envious remark! Just ask Ildi! 😉

    By the way, you might check your spam trap… I could be stuck in there, as I tried to comment earlier.

    That is, unless I’m too tiresome, obnoxious, and insufferable!

  75. Well, I’m not going to let your veteran’s status stand in my way when I tell you that you have shit for brains if you think that I am the only antagonist in this scenario.

    What you are, Gideon, is the only one who relies on the tactics used in the previous sentence, combined with outright false claims about science – to an overwhelming degree. But are others mean to you as well? Yes they are.

    If you were to attempt cogent arguments 80-90% of the time, and then dropped in the other shit the remaining 10-20%, you’d be little different than anyone else. Since you don’t come close to those marks, you are very much in a class by yourself. I’m really not complaining, because I think it speaks for itself. I’m just answering your assertion to Sarge.

    • “… you are very much in a class by yourself.

      Well, thanks for that, Johnny, but, I really don’t need you to tell me that. The fact that I piss you and all your infidel buddies off doesn’t cause me any concern at all, much like your baiting and haranguing other Christian commenters doesn’t cause you any loss of sleep. Both of us know we’re not changing our views, so we’re just having fun at the other’s expense, and, we don’t give a fuck.

      We both have places we can go, online and in the real world, where we can behave like civilized creations of God and make a difference, so it really isn’t that important that we behave like moronic pieces of Darwinian shit, here, is it? Especially when we have an admission from our esteemed infidel host that this blog isn’t that important to him, anyway, being “free” and all. Money is a big deal to infidels, because, it, along with Darwin, is the god they substitute Yahweh with.

      So, you can consider Gideon as a reflection of yourselves, thrown right back at you. I could put on a big front (like you) and act all ‘civilized’, but, (like you) I have more fun pushing someone’s face into a stucco wall, and then sliding it up and down against it. After all, it’s only text, right?

      So, don’t ruin everything and pretend you’re suddenly developing morals or a conscience, John-O, because, as we both know, that would tend to refute your infidel position on a creator-less universe… thereby ruining my fun pounding atheist ass into the pavement, and your’s mocking and deriding and vilifying Christians, and, I don’t know about you, but I don’t appreciate anyone ruining my fun, okay?

      In the words of that eminent barnyard philosopher, (no, not Jimbo!) Foghorn Leghorn:

      “Is any of this gettin’ thru to ya, son?”

  76. “Both of us know we’re not changing our views, so we’re just having fun at the other’s expense, and, we don’t give a fuck.” (Gideon to Evo)

    “I now think that you’re an atheist, just having fun at other atheists’ expense.” (Exterminator to cl)

    Hmm…. [cl raises eyebrow]

    • If that “hmmm…” means you’re wondering about me being a closet atheist, cl, you don’t need to “hmmm…”

      I’m not drunk or stupid enough, yet, to believe in fairy tales.

  77. Gideon, I DO happen to have shrapnel in my upper extremities, and a whole lot more besides.

    I have no need of, now nor have I ever accepted any special deference for any “status” except what I earn on a daily basis with my actions.

    But if you want to bring it up, I saw people who behaved very much like you; belligerence, aggressiveness, disproportional actions and reactions.

    Guys who always “had their John Wayne” on, barracks bullies, down some watering hole in a fight or two every night, any address met with bluster. Pretty tough guys, they proved it all the time…except when it really counted. And they really didn’t fool themselves, either, that’s why they they were that way all the time.

    Then we’d hit the bush, the choppers would leave, we’d walk into the treeline, or be going down “thunder road’ on convoy security, and the first contact would be made.

    They’d either curl up and whine, disappear completely until everything was over, come up during a lull and in their standard falsetto bass voice would try to TELL me that they were going to ‘stay with the wounded’ (whether there were any or not) ‘be a runner (THERE was word that I wouldn’t have thought they’d choose) for the LT” (whether he wanted or needed one or not) and when they were informed that they would stay their ass where they belonged…well..if they performed at all it was just wild bursts any old where.

    And after we got back and they hit the bars, they’d be even more belligerent than before. And always that cold, falsetto bass voice…Still can’t figure what was up with that…

    Don’t know you, never met you, but the tone, the words, the reactions: I’ve seen them before.

    • “Don’t know you…”

      That’s right, you don’t. You’re drawing conclusions about someone you’ve never met face-to-face, from Internet banter. I’m surprised you survived (Nam, I’m guessing) the war, using that naive assessment of my character… my online persona, no less… as a guide to strategy. My respect for your service keeps me from laughing you right off the page!

      I appreciate the war stories, Sarge, I did some time in the military, myself, about a hundred years ago, and it probably wasn’t as illustrious or glorious as your stint, but, then, I’m not one to get off on glorifying war, or those that start wars, or those that enable those bastards to start and wage wars by enlisting as their private enforcers. Any vet I’ve ever talked with about war was never keen on revealing much, anyway. From that, I determined that war wasn’t that glorious or even worth glorifying by dwelling on it. Why are you? Do yourself a favor, please, and don’t force this issue, here. Your ego will not abide the pummeling. I’m saying this out of respect.

      Whether I meet your standards for courage or not is really not important to me. I don’t even care if you talk to me. I’m here responding to articles written by people that claim religion is bullshit, and that’s all. I’m trying to leave politics and internationalism out of it. There are a lot of blogs out there that deal with those issues, trust me.

      I’ll tell you this… when I retire at the end of the day, none of this shit goes with me. Whatever is said to me online stays there. For the most part, forgotten. My life doesn’t depend on me being here, it’s just a diversion, a hobby. Whether or not you guys listen to me is not going to traumatize me. Life will go on.

      Maybe you should do the same with your life. Btw, I wonder how your pals-in-arms would evaluate YOUR performance under fire? Would it be as charitable as your assessment of theirs? I wonder…

      Keep on truckin’, soldier!

      😉

  78. Evo,

    I’d prefer more like a 60/40 ratio of cogency to vitriol myself, but you said that our friend Gideon’s arguments are,

    ..combined with outright false claims about science,

    ..well, can you support your positive claim with evidence, and stop gossiping?

  79. ..well, can you support your positive claim with evidence, and stop gossiping?

    Have you been to his blog, cl? Check out the South Park animation of the Theory of “evilution” he claims is “quite brilliant”.

    And if it’s not there, it’s because he’ll delete it after he reads this.

  80. Have you been to his blog, cl? Check out the South Park animation of the Theory of “evilution” he claims is “quite brilliant”.

    See, that’s all I asked for. I will.

    And if it’s not there, it’s because he’ll delete it after he reads this.

    LOL!! We’ll see, I guess, but you cracked me up with that.

  81. No SI, you can’t go that far. I’ve been regularly reading them. I can only recall one discussion where Gideon discussed evolution, and it was with jim. However, John Evo can attest that I’ve taken Gideon to task over certain scientific claims before. I’ve not claimed “Gideon’s never made an inaccurate claim about science,” I’ve claimed, “When John Evo accuses someone of making an inaccurate claim about science, he should support it with evidence.”

    So, that I asked for John Evo to support his claim with evidence does not entail that I’ve not been regularly reading Gideon’s comments here and on other blogs.

    Perhaps you jumped the gun to get a gotcha.

  82. Re: South Park video:

    “Brilliant?” In a comedic sense, yes. As far as scientific accuracy, hardly.

    So Gideon thinks the video is “brilliant” but has he actually said he thinks it’s scientifically accurate?

    If not, where are the false claims about science that both of you guys claim Gideon’s made?

  83. NOW who’s being disingenuous?

    If you really think Gideon’s commentary on the South Park animation was directed to it’s artistic quality, I’ve got a bridge you might like to buy.

  84. SI, “disingenuous” means “ignoring previously stated information.” That’s you, regarding my video game argument, in case you’re having trouble today.

    Unless Gideon has stated that he thinks the cartoon is scientifically accurate, and I’ve seen that statement and ignored it, I can’t be accused of disingenuousness here. Argumentation has rules and words have actual meanings, you know.

    Show me a false claim Gideon’s made about science, else carry on.

  85. DISINGENUOUS adj.

    1. Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating: “an ambitious, disingenuous, philistine, and hypocritical operator, who … exemplified … the most disagreeable traits of his time” (David Cannadine).
    2. Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf.
    3. Usage Problem. Unaware or uninformed; naive.

  86. “And if it’s not there, it’s because he’ll delete it after he reads this.”

    😆 😆 😆

    No worries, SI, I don’t subscribe to atheist comment policies on deletion!

  87. That vid isn’t any different than what often goes up here on this blog. It has a specific purpose, just as yours do, SI.

    And, as far as John Evo being the final authority on all things scientific, well, SI, I have a bridge YOU might be interested in buying!

  88. Some thoughts on your resident troll: on the one hand, he is prime evidence that Christianity is a man-made construct. (Can you imagine wanting to worship any god that gollum was made in the image of?) On the other hand, it’s like having a loutish, foul-mouthed teenager at a party – hard to ignore, but doing a good job of sidetracking the adults and deflecting the conversation.

    • Ildiot, it’s not my fault you’re a menopausal old sea hag that couldn’t get laid if they taped thousand dollar bills to your {{{shudder}}} naked body! Maybe if you put a bag over your head and wore a girdle, (and bathed) you might find some sailor drunk enough to venture into the wild kingdom!

      What IS a man-made construct are the reinforced rawhide straps serving the dual and noble purpose of restraining your pendulous mammaries from gouging ruts along the road you’re lumbering on, and preventing the seismic event that would inevitably result from your fat cellulitic ass impacting the ground after you trip over them!

      By the way, what are you doing here at this hour? Is the refrigerator broke down, again?

  89. SI,

    There’s no significant discrepancy in our understandings of the words, SI. Again, show me a false claim Gideon’s made about science, else, carry on. Still though, all the defs you listed apply straight to you: dismissing without understanding, pretending to have sophisticated reasoning supporting your worldview, etc. I’m not being insincere; I’m being serious. I’ve not heard Gideon make a claim so false about science that I can remember it. If you’ve got something in mind, break it out.

    Gideon,

    That vid isn’t any different than what often goes up here on this blog.

    Pretty much! It’s just funny how these guys are supposed to be all about backing up claims with evidence, yet they make claims without evidence all day.

  90. ildi,

    ..doing a good job of sidetracking the adults and deflecting the conversation.

    Where’s your intellectual contributions here? You’re always quite fit to jump into the personal BS that you’re here accusing Gideon of. Why don’t you put forth some kind of cogent argument or insightful statement of your own if you’re so concerned about deflected conversation??

    • “Where’s your intellectual contributions here?”

      She likely ate them, along with her kids.

      “You’re always quite fit to jump into the personal BS that you’re here accusing Gideon of.”

      DON’T encourage her to jump, cl, Indonesia is still recovering from the last tsunami that epicentered at her aerobics class!

      “Why don’t you put forth some kind of cogent argument or insightful statement of your own if you’re so concerned about deflected conversation??”

      Ildiot excels at deflecting pizza and Ding Dongs into that singularity of a mouth of hers. Of course, any chewing action on her part requires the use of a set of props to hold up her chins while she draglines food into her gaping maw, complemented by a herculean set of jaw muscles the envy of any Great White!

      • I heard about that unfortunate incident down at the beach, when you were sunbathing, and the townspeople tried to push you out to sea? Morons.

        Tsk. A truly horrible misunderstanding. Could happen to anyone, though, especially someone like you that’s ample enough to have their own postal code and gravitational field!

        Well, I’m sure the rest of your pod was glad to have you home, anyway.

        😉

  91. Again, show me a false claim Gideon’s made about science, else, carry on

    {sigh} This is such a fucking waste of my time. I should bill you at my hourly rate.

    #1. “Gravity’s a theory? LOL! Haven’t proven it, yet? LMAO! Fuck, atheists are fucking stupid!”

    #2. “But, as any Christian can tell you (for all the good it would do) it is the sustaining power of the Creator of all things – atomic processes and all – that enables anything to work in this cosmos.”

    #3. How does a pinpoint of light (the sun) hold the outer planets in orbit?

    The fucking thing is practically no bigger than the surrounding stars, at that range, yet they stay in orbit around the sun?

    What is holding them in place at that range? Starlight?

    #4. The idea that a being of unlimited power HAD to accomplish His work over ridiculously long periods of time, is ludicrous. The fossil record does not bear any such evidence, contrary to what these witless wonders might say.

    #5. I was immediately impressed with it’s no-nonsense, simplistic statement that there is a reason for life, not some happenstance occurrence of space-plankton colliding, having sex, and pushing out a primordial goo-baby that, zillions of convenient years after a conveniently unobservable event, resulted in us.

    #6. To which cl replied “I’m just as impressed.”

    That’s all I’m doing for now. It’s really tedious having to plow through all the long winded, scatological, ad hominem, tripe that accounts for 95% of Gideon’s comments, to find the few gems of pure ignorance, and those are just from the comments in one post. And don’t forget what I already pointed to, his South Park cartoon that he claims explains evilution “quite brilliantly”. He doesn’t say the cartoon is quite brilliant, it’s the explanation of “evilution” that he loves.

    So don’t be disingenuous (i.e. pretending to be unaware by implying that his critique of the cartoon was the art, not the science) of his ignorance of science. It’s pretty clear.

    I’ll send you a bill.

  92. This is such a fucking waste of my time.

    Poor baby! Then, why do you do it? Seriously? I don’t consider it a waste of my time, at all. Actually, that’s not entirely true. I don’t mean this as insult, but I’m being dead serious. The day I realized you were dismissing an argument you didn’t fully understand – all while insulting me for hundreds of comments about it – I did consider that a waste of time – but then I remember the stakes are high. I’m hear to test my ideas, not for an egotistical pissing contest which is honestly what seems to motivate the bulk of the comments on your blog.

    By, “show me a false claim Gideon has made about science,” I mean that your duty is to show me a false claim Gideon has made about some facts of science – not his opinions about atheists, not his opinions about religion, and not his vitriolic demeaning of evolution. For example,

    1 constitutes Gideon roasting a particular atheist in Evo’s video;

    2 constitutes one of Gideon’s opinions about religion. That Gideon believes God sustains creation is not a false claim about science;

    3 seems to constitute questions Gideon asked jim and/or someone else, or possibly Gideon just blathering – there’s not enough context to tell;

    4 is actually the closest you came to accomplishing what I asked. It is the only statement of Gideon’s in your list that can actually be undeniably construed as a claim about facts of science. It needs more context, certainly, but let’s say we ASSUME Gideon had radiometric and/or carbon dating in mind when he made his comment about the fossil record not proving old Earth hypotheses. I would agree with Gideon there, because unlike most atheists and skeptics who fall prey to hasty induction, I do not conflate entropic time with calendar time. I would challenge you to show me one good reason why I should think otherwise.

    5 is just Gideon roasting the evolutionary worldview y’all cling to, as you can tell from the inflammatory language;

    and 6 is not even a claim, or Gideon’s – but an affirmation of mine.

    ..don’t forget what I already pointed to, his South Park cartoon that he claims explains evilution “quite brilliantly”. He doesn’t say the cartoon is quite brilliant, it’s the explanation of “evilution” that he loves.

    I don’t know what he said. Nobody ever provided a link to what Gideon said about the video. You just ask me to take your word for it – like a good little preacher of anti-theism should. So seven attempts – and one hit – which isn’t even a hit because within the context I’ve apprehended it here, it’s actually a correct claim that Gideon made about science.

    So save your invoice – you didn’t even do any work worth billing – and I had to redo the job myself.

  93. By, … I mean

    Well, that’s typical of you. After I do all the work, then you change the parameters of the request. I knew it would be a fucking waste of time, I said it, and I was right. Jebus, am I such an idiot for thinking you’d be intellectually honest? The answer is a big, fat YES. I should have known better.

    Won’t happen again.

    Nobody ever provided a link to what Gideon said about the video

    This is a good point to put your picture next to the definition, cl.

    DISINGENUOUS adj.

    1. Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating:
    2. Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf.

    I’m sorry you’re so incapable at finding things on the internet. I didn’t realize I had to hold your hand and actually walk you to Gideon’s blog. I already told you where it was, and you’ve already implied that you looked at it, yet you still need a link? Here, let me do it for you.

    Gideon’s Blog

    Now scroll down to the little widget on the right hand side that has the cartoon. You do know how to scroll, don’t you? You use your mouse and click on that little slide bar on the right, or use your scroll keys.

    Now, notice above the cartoon Gideon wrote:

    The “Theory” Of Evilution Explained… Quite Brilliantly!

    Did you see that when you looked at it the first time?

    This is what I mean by you being disingenuous. You act like you didn’t read it, like it wasn’t there. Bullshit.

    You are a waste of time, cl. A big fat black hole of bullshit sucking in everyone who comes into contact with you.

    • “A big fat black hole of bullshit sucking in everyone who comes into contact with you.”

      Well, you’d certainly be the one to know, wouldn’t you, SI? And, as for my taste in videos, let’s not forget what a vitriolic SOB you can be when you feel like it, i.e. pretty well anything you post about Christianity, these days. You, and that lard-assed wussy Philly who never shows up when the heat’s on, and bans everyone that doesn’t blow his teensy-weensy penis!

      If you think you’re the only one that can post inflammatory videos, (and, it sure seems to have gotten your goat!) you’re as out to lunch as your estimate of your worth. You can bill me, if you like, I need some more toilet paper! 😆

      cl has made it plain many times that he doesn’t agree with all of my statements, so what’s your beef? It doesn’t bother me, why should you care? What, does this stuff GET to you, all of a sudden? You’re complaining I’m wasting your blog space… COME TO MINE! Don’t want to get those lily-white, lawyer-boy hands dirty? Well, then, either put up or SHUT UP!

      You were singing a different tune the other day, about me and my writing. Now, you’re pulling the ol’ atheist flip-flop? You know, like atheists did with origins, and how everything came from swamp-sputum, now, according to Dawkins, the Darwinian wonder-boy, it’s possible we were seeded by ET’s… just not God! ANYTHING OR ANYONE BUT GOD!

      That’s EVILution in a nutshell… contradictions, innuendo, and outright lies!

      • Oh, and another thing about the video; it’s not that I don’t know about the difference between your bullshit theory on origins and the adaptation process described by Darwin, it’s just that a good percentage of folk (me included) see beyond any distinctions, and recognize all of it for what it is… a combined, direct assault on Christianity, and God! You pseudo-intellectuals are always pounding each other on the back and praising your pseudo-intellectualism, yet are being led down the primrose path to destruction by elitist assholes that don’t care if you live or die!

        Dawkins is one of those pricks, because he champions your cause. Anyway, I’m here to remind you all that not everyone goes weak at the knees or creams in their undies listening to your pseudo-intellectual babble!

        Some of us, however, do find a wellspring of entertainment from it, though!

        😆

        • Some of us, however, do find a wellspring of entertainment from it, though!

          I so glad you are able to amuse you.

          And I don’t take back what I said the other day. That was a thoughtful post. You have an ability to string words together, sometimes in an amusing fashion yourself. But at least you’re direct, a known quantity. I know what you are saying.

          cl, on the other hand, pictures himself as the theist cat toying with the atheist mouse. “I’ll just corner him here, trap him there, he’ll be so confused by my logical legerdemain, he’ll be shaking in his atheist paws.”

          Yeah. Right. Everywhere he goes, people figure him out, eventually, and stop playing. I think it’s time for him to move on.

          You can stay though. You may be ignorant, but you’re not witless. 8)

  94. As usual. Dismiss without thought.

    Did you see that when you looked at it the first time?

    SI shut your yammering atheist trap and THINK for two minutes here if you can – YES, I know that’s what Gideon said. What I mean is, that Gideon says some South Park video explains “evillution” quite brilliantly IS HIS OPINION (for whatever reason) and NOT a claim about some scientific fact, which is what I asked you for.

    I swear SI, if you’re ever appointed to be my lawyer, I’m defending myself. It’s like you don’t even read this stuff.

    You are a waste of time, cl. A big fat black hole of bullshit sucking in everyone who comes into contact with you.

    Why? Because you can’t read and/or comprehend a basic question? Put your money where your mouth is, lawyer – you claimed your #4 was a false claim about a scientific fact made by Gideon. I’ve challenged you on an intellectual matter, and you resort to bad words. You are every bit of the “evidence for Christianity” that you claim Gideon is for atheism.

    Grow up, you’re supposed to be a professional adult.

  95. “You can stay though. You may be ignorant, but you’re not witless.”

    Gee, thanks, SI… I won’t be needing this shotgun and suicide note, now!

    I’ll give them to Jimbo.

    😉

  96. S.I.:

    I’d like to somehow enshrine this thread to demonstrate for future generations exactly how bullshit Christian apologetics works. The blatant disregard for even a semblance of argumentative honesty on the part of cl (with his little dog gideon along for the ride), really should be exposed before massive audiences. It’s practically archetypal!

    cl, I want to say I’m disappointed, but that water passed under a long, long time ago. Still, this particular thread has it all- the conversational bad faith, the moving goalposts, the blatant deceit. Along with the loudmouthed ignorance of your philosophically lesser partner. Really, if there’s someone left who doesn’t see what’s going on here, Christian or infidel, you’re simply not looking. Perhaps you’ve become jaded (easy to do, I imagine), or maybe you simply don’t have a lot of concern for truth unless it’s your ox being gored.

    And no, cl, this is not an argument, and I’m not here to provide any evidence for one. You’ve provided that for us. You are far and away the most laughably obvious huckster I’ve yet run across on the internet. The thing that scares me a bit is that you might actually buy into what you’re doing. If so, I am truly saddened…I still haven’t learned to become numb to such goings on.

    Gideon, I notice you have an inordinate fondness for cowboys. You must have been quite grieved at Heath Ledger’s passing. My condolences.

    This’ll probably be it for me tonight. My wireless is down, and this slo-mo internet stuff is too damned frustrating! Niters.

    • Yo, Barnyard Valentino, nice to see you’re up and around after Bossy nailed you one in the beets for jumping her while she was still attached to the milking machine, there, sport! I keep telling you, son, you gotta ROMANCE ’em, not just bang ’em and leave ’em!

      And, Heath Ledger wasn’t a cowboy, shit-for-brains, he was an actor… just like when you were a preacher. Also, Cletus, unlike you, I don’t go around making light of the dead, even your former pin-up idols.

      Yeah, you better get to bed and get your ‘beauty’ sleep, boy, I hear the sheep are raising their standards, and you don’t want to go back to boring holes in trees and fences on days when they’re too fast for you!

      G’nite… and don’t shoot yourself, okay?

      • Heard from your daughter in LA, yet, Bozo? She probably hasn’t read all of your anti-social bullshit about how people shouldn’t procreate… of course, it’s probably better inbreeds don’t do the deed, as it usually results in people like you!

        Not that we’ll have to worry about you producing any more kids, what with your preference for agricultural stock and the occasional romp with your neighbor’s St. Bernard!

        You go, girl!

        😉

  97. jim,

    There you go, running your mouth, making accusations about me. Why don’t you just actually present a COGENT RESPONSE? I don’t care about your OPINIONS – don’t you get it yet? Your opinions mean as much to me as the wart on a witch’s ass. Save them for yourself.

    Here’s what’s happened – Evo claimed Gideon makes false claims about science. Fine, that’s fair enough, maybe even true. Yet, I’m a rationalist, so I’m not gonna take Evo’s lame opinion for it – all I asked for was even ONE BIT OF EVIDENCE, and these guys can’t or won’t do it. SI apparently doesn’t understand the difference between a claim about a fact of science, and Gideon just ranting and being Gideon. Like I said, the closest thing was #4, and I’ve responded to it.

    Here, you galloped in, loudmouthed, talking big and full of accusation – but of course – nothing concrete to back it up. You complain (yet again) of bad faith and moving goalposts, yet all I’ve asked for is for SI or Evo to support their claims with evidence. I’ve tried to pass you an olive branch, instead you want to keep hating. You guys say Gideon makes false claims about science? That’s fine – show me what you have in mind, and I’ll take a look at it.

    You are far and away the most laughably obvious huckster I’ve yet run across on the internet.

    Very good jim. I’m glad that you as a full-grown supposedly adult intellectual man know how to insult others. Now, can you step up to cogency? If you’ve got something REAL to add to this discussion, I’d love to hear it. Otherwise, you’re just acting like the one you decry. Is that what you want?

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