My Lucky Number

No, it’s not 666.

It’s 13. Thousand, to be exact.

Thanks to lots of people, I’ve passed the 13,000 visits mark. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, but I like that number.

Speaking of numbers, my opinion that religion has become just another big business is reinforced here. Apparently the use of credit cards to tithe poses theological conundrums, though most churches seem to have reconciled the conflicts, with new services such as ParishPay and Vanco Services stepping into the breach.

Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but having grown up and attended a “pass the basket” collection type church, I’d find it somewhat incongruous to have to use an electronic swipe pad at the end of every pew.

Meanwhile, in other numbers related news, personal bankruptcies are on the rise again, after a precipitous drop when the new Bankruptcy Law went into effect in October of 2005.

27 thoughts on “My Lucky Number

  1. Well done on the visits – it is a good thing, it means people like reading your posts 🙂

    As for credit card tithing… Blimey (twice in one day!)

    Just goes to show that churches are money grubbing enough to work round the theological implications of credit…

  2. Cool blog, not a downright atheist i believe there is a God but some of the stuff has been corrupted by man…

    God is all powerful knows all the future, past and present right….he created everything as before him there was nothing. so where did evil come from? and if he made all the angels why did one become bad and was cast down into hell? (devil)i thought they would all be good infused with all the goodness that is God.

    where are the dinosaurs in the bible? in the beginning God made heaven and earth all the animals etc where the hell are the dinosaurs… u know what that means? there was no divine intervention for the creation of the bible (the beginning is all fake) think about it God would have told them to write about dinosaurs, the sun is the center of the solar system and the earth is round. the bible is like a story you tell kids to make sure they don’t do bad things, and they stop asking you questions u don’t know the right answer to.

    Grasp this, Hypothetically if we were suppose to go to this world in a spaceship and the people there are still wearing loin clothes etc and we landed came out and gave them a lighter, healed a sick man with some of our vaccines, turn water into wine by adding kool aid, what would they call us?

    Sorry i needed to vent

  3. Sorry to sort divert away from your post topic. I do think that credit card machines are bad for churches my self. I would like to address the following person though.
    shonari-

    http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/bible/bible.htm
    http://www.exchangedlife.com/Creation/dinosaurs.shtml

    Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24
    It “eats grass like an ox.”
    It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
    Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
    His ribs like bars of iron.”
    “He is the first of the ways of God.”
    “He lies under the lotus trees,
    In a covert of reeds and marsh.”

    Most Christians including myself believe this to be Dinosuars. Why didn’t He mention them in creation? If you think the Bible is was true and is now corrupt then learn Hebrew and Aramaic then go and then search for the earliest known copy if it and search them to see what it is. That cannot be the foundation four your confusion. You are limited to what you know by how much you research.
    Now about Angels and the devil. You said….
    “I thought they would all be good infused with all the goodness that is God.”
    The thing is that you will not find that anywhere in the Bible. God has never forced no one or nothing to follow His words, His will, or His Son. It is a choice. Angels, humans, all of the creations have a choice. Yeah I believe that God knew what was to happen before He created anything. All that means is He had a plan. Salvation is a available. It doesn’t matter what Satan does. The choice is up to you and what you believe alone. No one else.
    There is a difference between a vaccine, a lighter, kool aid, and a spaceship. People would then know how you got to there planet. you luster is then gone. People would then see you use tools to heal others. People would then see you start a fire.
    Do you see the difference between those and touching some one so they are healed, turning water into wine, and creating the sunny. Vast differences.
    Why doesn’t it say that the earth was round. I don’t know ask Isaiah, chapter 40, verse 22 reads (in the NIV translation):

    “He sits enthroned above the “circle” of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.”

    Sort of said circle there. that would imply the earth was round to me.
    Interesting read on the earth being round can be found here…
    http://creationwiki.org/Bible_says_the_earth_is_round

    I’m not trying to offend yo by putting scripture on you page John P. shonari asked and I gave my answer.

  4. My site is set up to moderate posts that have more than 2 URLs in them, so I had to see this first.

    No problem. I don’t think I follow it, but I’ll leave it to shonari, maybe he can.

    I’ll say this though: I don’t see a dinosaur in your scripture quote. Sorry, it’s not there. With all his powers, god could have done a better job describing a dinosaur. Any one of them.

    [EDIT] for gender clarification 🙂

  5. I like your sortas and kindas blog guy. no definitely. you sed its a choice, that isnt a choice, a choice is between apples and oranges not an apple and an orange infested with maggots, very spoilt and burnt to a crisp in an oven. cuz thats the choice we’re getting. follow the words of God and don’t sin and love God and if you don’t you shall end up in spending eternity in flames forced to live all that is painful and bad. How can that be a choice.

    And what i said about the hypothesis wasnt meant to be taken word for word. Im meant that if a primitive race was to meet up on this advanced race with advanced technology they may interpret what they did as god-like and end up worshiping them.

    Another question about the bible. Im sure that you agree with me when i say not everything written about the early church and God etc was placed in the bible, there had to be some meeting to choose what went in and hence we will never know the “other” side of the story. isnt it unfair to be learning about one side and not knowing about the other? thats like Hitler preaching that nazism is a good them and us not hearing the Jews side of the story.

    Sorry to divert Spanish Inquisitor.

  6. I agree with spanish inquisitor though im a HE not a SHE.

    Ooops! That happens on the net, with all those ambiguous names.

    Profuse apologies, sir!

  7. The sort of was my way of saying “hey this says circle.(It was a hint of friendly sarcasm). It most surely does say the “circle of the earth.
    As it being a choice as too where you will end up… It is a choice. Not to quote a cliché but a choice is still a choice even if you don’t like the options.
    As for the early church not choosing what was put into the Bible and was left out.. Brother I don’t have all the answers. If you believe in God then their will come a time when you have to stand on faith. I know that word tends to be a no-no in a debt about God but seriously the reason we have debates is because of faith. I have faith through things I have seen in this world. The Bible doesn’t give a plain and up front answer about alot. Salvation is the only answer that is directly pointed out in every book of the Bible in some shape form or way in the Bible.
    If you don’t think that the scripture describes a dinosaur than give me a creature that is matching to those specs and I will agree that it may not be one.

  8. BG

    I’m a a loss, usually when someone brings this up, as to exactly what I need salvation from? Why do I need saving? There is no such thing as a soul or original sin, etc. Salvation therefore is just a nonsense concept invented by ignorant people in ignorant times, to make themselves feel better about things they didn’t really understand, and in the process have made people like you feel miserable, because you now believe you need to be saved, from what, I doubt even you know.

    As to the behemoth, look at the Wikipedia explanation. No mention of dinosaurs, other than by Young Earth Creationists, which is nonsense itself. It was a metaphorical Hebrew method of expressing greatness by pluralizing a noun. Nothing more. If dinosaurs were around when the writers of the bible were writing, I’m sure they could have described them far more adequately than they did in Job. It’s wishful thinking, nothing more, to believe it was a dinosaur.

  9. Why are yo so very sure? Why do people have to be ignorant to see it different than what Atheist believe. How can you say that Jesus should have written in the Bible.
    I look at people like you and your inability to see right from wrong and know what I am saved from. The evidence points in one direction but you twist it into another. Your answer give any sight into what the passage was talking about. What animal is described in it. Name one that meets all of those traits. You cannot do it.Oh and not only have both man and dinosaur prints been found together in Mexico, New Mexico, Arizona, Missouri, Kentucky and Illinois, but other U.S. locations as well. So we must have existed with them. Your science prove their is no God. It cannot! The thought that everything in this world is a happening of chance is irrational. The big bang? Give me a break. Lets say that is what happened. Where did the bigger rocks come from that exploded into smaller rocks( all though it made a whole of planets).
    I didn’t bring up why we need salvation because I talk to you like you are an adult and not needing of a complex break down of things you already know. But then again that is how the atheist world works. You pry at answers until a slip of the tongue can be played on. You look for illusions to play on when there are none. You grasp a hold off the “theory” of evolution.
    Theory-A set of ideas which are formulated to explain a phenomenon.

    Evolutionists often insist that evolution is a proved fact of
    science, providing the very framework of scientific interpretation,
    especially in the biological sciences. This, of course, is nothing but
    wishful thinking. Evolution is not even a scientific hypothesis, since
    there is no conceivable way in which it can be tested. In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion;
    almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to
    ‘bend’ their observations to fit in with it.
    All of the below-cited authorities are (or were) among the world’s
    foremost authorities on evolution. Note again the terms which they
    use in describing evolution:

    Evolutionary dogma
    A scientific “religion”
    A satisfactory “faith”
    The “myth” of evolution
    “Man’s world view” “Anti-knowledge”
    All-pervading process
    Revealed truth
    The whole of reality
    An illuminating light
    Metaphysical “belief”
    “Story-telling”
    Note I placed quotations marks around a few out of place words.
    Darwin was not the founder of evolution. Is was just the Al Gore of evolution. Evolution has been around for centuries and has been the essential ingredient of all pagan religions and philosophies from time immemorial.Back to the point.The facts do not prove evolution, since the fossil record does not show any transition from one species to another, since “scientific” dating methods have been proven unreliable, for those who desire to reject God, evolution is a religion of last resort.
    What more can be said. You will still believe what you will. You will continue to dodge the questions you cannot answer or are afraid to answer. Your religion is vain and has no place in science, the world , or anywhere else. It is a cop out.

  10. I look at people like you and your inability to see right from wrong and know what I am saved from.

    That seems a bit presumptuous, don’t you think? You don’t even know me. How can you possibly say I don’t have the ability to know right from wrong?

    The evidence points in one direction but you twist it into another.

    Ummm. What evidence? Of what? I spend half my time on the internet asking Christians to provide evidence, and I’ve yet to have any provided. Do you know of any I’m unaware of?

    What animal is described in it. Name one that meets all of those traits. You cannot do it.

    Well, to be honest, neither can you. What dinosaur lived under the lotus tree? C’mon, that description could describe anything and nothing. Certainly no animal known to any human living in the last 10,000 years unless they got the elephant/mammoth reversed.

    You want it to be a dinosaur, so it is, in your mind.

    I could do better than god. Try this:

    “Its skin with scales like that of a lizard”
    “Its teeth of razors, able to devour its prey in one bite”
    “Its habitat that of swamps and volcanoes’
    “The size of the tallest tree”
    “It’s eyes amphibian like, to see above and below water”
    “King of all its domain”

    What does that sound like? A lot closer to a dinosaur, than a behemoth.

    Oh and not only have both man and dinosaur prints been found together in Mexico, New Mexico, Arizona, Missouri, Kentucky and Illinois, but other U.S. locations as well.

    Really? Point me to one. But read this article first

    The big bang? Give me a break. Lets say that is what happened. Where did the bigger rocks come from that exploded into smaller rocks( all though it made a whole of planets).

    Sorry, BG. You’ll need to read up on the Big Bang theory, because you’re understanding of it is a tad bit skewed. I don’t expect you’ll do it, but this is a good place to start

    Evolutionists often insist that evolution is a proved fact of
    science, providing the very framework of scientific interpretation,
    especially in the biological sciences. This, of course, is nothing but
    wishful thinking. Evolution is not even a scientific hypothesis, since
    there is no conceivable way in which it can be tested. In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion;
    almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to
    ‘bend’ their observations to fit in with it.

    Please don’t get your science in church. Or on church related websites. Try getting it from scientists, then come back and prove what you said. Until then, look here. I know you believe what you wrote because you believe that evolution contradicts your religious beliefs. Seriously, learn about what you’re speaking before …oh never mind.

    BG. Science is not the place for beliefs. Science is the place for facts and evidence.

  11. Yet you cannot prove anything that I believe to be false. Funny huh. You theory of evolution is a pagen belief. Atheism is organized and shares a common belief. That classifies as religion. Your god is science. If you can do better than God prove He does not exist. You belief my God does not exist.
    You use your god to try and prove it but you cannot. No scientist that teaches the theory of evolution is going to be called a scientist by me. You have no evidence to support it at all. You have theories and petty insults when you are no happy with where a discussion is headed.I believe that evolution is false because life could not survive millions of years waiting to adapt and mutate into something can survive. It takes far more faith to believe in evolution than Jesus. For every “scientist” you have that claims evolution another says it never happened. You seem to just look over them. Wasn’t that some interesting titles for some of the major authorites on evolution. I wonder why the called themselves….
    Evolutionary dogma
    A scientific religion
    A satisfactory faith
    The myth of evolution
    Man’s world view” Anti-knowledge
    All-pervading process
    Revealed truth
    The whole of reality
    An illuminating light
    Story-telling
    Wait I think I can link them together. Can you?

  12. BG

    That was not a very responsive post. Did you read any of those cites I gave you? The one about human tracks with those of dinosaurs was quite informative, and responsive to your claim. I know you believe the opposite to be true, but since it’s not a belief in, say a supernatural entity (like god), it is a claim that is capable of proof. It’s tracks in rock we’re talking about. There must be some actual scientific evidence out there you can point to? Somewhere? C’mon. Back up your beliefs.

    You claim that I cannot prove anything you believe to be false. I already gave you evidence that your belief in human/dinosaur tracks may be false. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    Can I prove that your belief in god is false? No. But try to understand that in a debate, such as this, it is not my burden to prove something false. I can’t for instance, prove that there is not a green goblin somewhere on earth, because no matter how hard I looked, you could always point to another spot and say it could be there. Same with god. Indeed, it is impossible to prove a negative. That is why the burden is on you to prove the positive, that god exists. And I know that in 6000 years, no one has been able to do that, so I’m fairly confident that you can’t either. If you could, you’d be world famous, and rich beyond your dreams. You would solve the problem of world peace if you could prove it.

    theory of evolution is a pagen belief

    Could you expand on that? I don’t understand how a scientific theory gets transformed into a pagan belief.

    If you can do better than God prove He does not exist. You belief my God does not exist.

    See above. And no, I believe there is no evidence for god’s existence. That’s different that believing he doesn’t exist. Provide the evidence and I’ll change my belief.

    Evolutionary dogma
    A scientific religion
    A satisfactory faith
    The myth of evolution
    Man’s world view” Anti-knowledge
    All-pervading process
    Revealed truth
    The whole of reality
    An illuminating light
    Story-telling
    Wait I think I can link them together. Can you?

    I frankly don’t know what you want me to say about this. It doesn’t make any sense. Please explain what all those relatively meaningless phrases mean, and why they should be linked. Then I’ll be happy to comment.

  13. You got that right.

    I think facts beat faith hands down, all the time, but people of faith don’t hold much stock in facts.

    So in that sense, the battle is being fought on two different battlegrounds, simultaneously, with one side on one, and the other on the other.

    Not much of a battle.

  14. faith is a powerful foe it will blind you of the facts that are right in front of your face and yes we have performed evolution we call it it dohs and cats

    unless this could survive in the wild some ware and ware did we find such an animal you or somebody you know might have one now ware do you stand now

  15. faith blinded us of the priest’s abuse scandal for 50 years and you still read form that book and take it all as fact

    if that book is true do we know how to interrupt it cause we have allot of art work depicting ets and yet the we do not mention it in church

    like hieroglyphs of flash lights submarines helicopters and yes flying saucers

    faith will blind you until the facts come tumbling down on you like a tone of bricks but even then you fail to notice faith will be the undoing of man kind

  16. if god was all powerful like you say sit in the middle of the expressway and prey and if you can post a youtube video we will reconsider rethinking our position

    please no Bruce almighty clips or from movie any tv show

    just you and that semi

  17. I mean no offense to anybody but I like to play hardball with a shot put cause if I still lose the augment then I must be wrong and I will accept that but that does not mean I only believe in what I can see but I want proof before I call something fact and even still I give credit to things that are not proven on the belief that that may some day be fact unless proven to be false

    like http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2157975.stm

    I like to argue facts because the facts are what matters

    my faith goes as far as Boeing must believe that they think they can do what they are trying to do and I have a bit of faith they might sussed

    I believe we must look at all possibility big and small

    some small possibility could have a big payout and some could mean the end of life we must look at all of the big picture with a fine tooth come

    I wont say I am a atheist but that I claim no formal church as I believe nobody has it all %100 right so I will lead my life the way I think is best

  18. Well I believe in punctuation and proper grammar. I believe in proper spelling and using the correct homonym. I honestly don’t care if you’re playing hardball or bocce ball, if you’re doing it in English, fucking do it correctly or else you come off like an ignorant loon, and I certainly hope that fact tumbles down upon you like a ton of bricks.

  19. thanks for the addition to my house

    PhillyChief I don’t know any thing about the culture of your tribe and I refuse to insult it

    but the catholic church and a few others yes

    now you make your self a nice little tipie so what are you gonna do with all those bricks

    or did you abandon your culture and move into a house

    I can insult something and respect it at the same time cause I give constructive criticism but still very harsh

    my bad spelling is no worse than anybody else here this is not a book report or a spelling bee but just a friendly conversation

    so can you take some constructive criticism cause I think you are a christian under cover earthier my above comment serves you right from my view point and my view point is the only one that matters to me and as such I will look to understand the view points of others to refine my own I am willing to share my view point with others so that I may see theirs

  20. looks are mot every thing life gives me a lemon I make lemonade

    your an Indian then you have no use for those bricks your a christian that would mean you are not telling the truth about your true identity and now you are defiling your own beliefs your opinion little to me but it does mean something as it shows me how an true hypocrite speaks

  21. so you hate me and do you want to want help me if so post again as I know you will or let us talk about what interests us

  22. Got me. Can’t figure out why he picked a post from over a year ago to blather on about …whatever… totally off topic, and without combining his thoughts in one or two posts rather than eight successive ones.

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