So That’s That

In 2005 the Supreme Court ruled in two cases involving the public display of the Ten Commandments. One of the cases involved two counties in Kentucky. The two counties in Kentucky attempted to modify their displays after the ruling, by adding part of the Declaration of Independence, the Mayflower Compact, the national motto, and other statements referring to God and the Bible, in an effort to dilute the religious impact of the displays, and in order to meet the guidelines set down by the Supreme Court for proper display of the Ten Commandments. If you remember, the display in Texas was allowed, but those in Kentucky were not.

The displays were meant to convey the message that religion and faith are part of the foundation of the country, officials said.

Apparently, the recent revisions were seen as a thinly disguised attempt to shove Christian beliefs on an unwitting public (as it usually is). Christians don’t really care that we live in a secular country, with secular laws, and a very defined separation of Church and State. They really believe that their 10Cs are the best thing since sliced bread hit the supermarket shelves, and that everyone should be forced to eat it. So they wrap it up in a new package, hoping no one will notice that it’s the same old moldy bread.

Fortunately there is one thing you can count on – the relatively lower intelligence level of the Christian, as opposed to your average American –  along with the higher intelligence of the ACLU. The Christians behind this must really think everyone is dumber than them.

The ACLU brought suit to enjoin the new packaging, and won. The Lower court permanently enjoined the displays, and the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction. The Supreme Court was asked to take the appeal, on a writ of cert, in order to use the case as a vehicle to articulate a new Establishment Clause standard, presumably one more friendly to the delusion of Christianity, and that would further erode the separation of Church and State.

The Supreme Court refused, effectively upholding the injunction.

So, that’s that.

{sigh}

If only it were that simple. You KNOW that Christians are like zombies, and will not stop until they get to those yummy brains. They worship one, so they need to emulate him. They are relentless in continuing to pursue something that is clearly settled time after time by the courts. They keep coming, like the army ants in Leiningen vs. the Ants.

OK. That’s a little metaphorically hyperbolic, but you get my drift.

They won’t stop.

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38 thoughts on “So That’s That

  1. No, they won’t stop, but that’s OK. When they hyperventilate over trivial issues that they keep losing anyway – it keeps them from doing real damage elsewhere. Or at least slows them down a bit. Plus, every time one of these courts rules in favor of a secular society, it makes the news and serves a bit of a civics lesson that at least a few of them have to learn something from.

  2. You’re not a secular country, John, you’re a pagan country. Just like ancient Rome was a pagan country, all you’ve done is exchange a pantheon of gods for nature worship (evolution) and your idols are the lesser animals you claim to be progeny of. Your country was never a Christian country, it was and still is run and controlled by British imperialists; those, in turn, by papal Rome. The only significant thing about 1776 was that was the date Adam Weishaupt founded the Bavarian Illuminati, which is the reason that date is stamped on your dollar bill; itself, a veritable billboard of pagan symbolism. It wasn’t to commemorate an independence that never happened, it celebrates the ratification of your enslavement.

    Your founding fathers were mostly Masons and Illuminates. The “god” they served wasn’t nor is the God of Abraham. You, by your own admission as one who opposes God, are therefore a pagan. You have no mind of your own, you’re a dupe of occult freaks and their unwitting disciple. Your leaders, today, worship pagan idols in forest groves, just like their ancient counterparts… the ones that God had Israel destroy along with their idols.

    Your country is merely the enforcement monkey for the New World Order, which seeks to unite all countries under one government. The goal is total, unopposed control and enslavement of heretofore all sovereign nations. We see the last hold-outs falling to “democratic” forces, right now, in the eastern nations. America, itself, has been in the bag for over 200 years. It remains to be seen if an invasion (like that of Iraq and Afghanistan) will be necessary to speed the countries’ plummet into democratic slavery, or if the people can succeed on their own in fastening their own chains.

    Yes, John, feel proud that your country has absolutely nothing in common with the God you hate. You may take some comfort from that when it and you are destroyed in the lake of fire that will be the surface of this planet, paving the way for the reconstruction and glorification of a world you’ll never see – having finally attained the eternal nothingness you so fervently desire! You’ll have your place right alongside all of the liars, thieves, homosexuals, perverts, murderers, etc. None of you will be left to spoil the happiness and peace that will be for those of faith.

    I guess the irony in all of this is that before your destruction, you’ll be forced to publicly acknowledge your allegiance to Satan (your leaders secretly worship him) to maintain the societal benefits and comforts you’ve become accustomed to, thereby further discrediting your supposed “atheist” stance.

    A miserable end to a futile life. So sad.

      • “So sad. Exactly my response…to your comment.”

        In lieu of a rational rebuttal… right, John?

        You ask for evidence… you get it… you deny it…

        Yeah, I’d call that sad. Of course, it’s not what you want to hear, is it? I guess I should have came on here like some of your other brown-nosers, blowing sunshine and daisies up your ass. After all, we’re all not here to LEARN anything, are we? Just to take shots at God and Christians and the odd swipe at the political right. One goof here even recites eastern religions and is accepted… because, the bigot that runs this blog and his boy-wonder hate the Christian faith.

        Yep. There definitely are malevolent forces at work in America, and “atheists” are right up there on a par with them.

        • You ask for evidence… you get it… you deny it…

          Evidence for what? Some weird conspiracy theory of yours? Masons and Illuminati? George Bush proclaiming a New World Order? Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my!

          Your understanding of the term “evidence” is what’s sad. I’ve seen better evidence on a box of Cocoa Puffs.

        • Not speaking for all non-believers and because I really AM a peaceful guy …
          Gideon – usually the evidence that non-believers are looking for consist more than, ” Look around you, this world is the evidence! “. What we are looking for is more along the lines of Doubting Thomas evidence. Physical evidence… putting OUR finger in the wounds. To date that has not happened.
          *** Metcalfe’s ‘rant’ ***
          One should not slander individuals that demand ‘Doubting Thomas’ evidence for the existance of god. Why ? because Jesus didn’t.
          “You believe because you have seen me. But blessed are those who haven’t seen me and yet still believe”. Jesus blesses those who have not seen and believe. He does NOT curse nor condemn those that demand evidence.

          • “‘You believe because you have seen me. But blessed are those who haven’t seen me and yet still believe’. Jesus blesses those who have not seen and believe. He does NOT curse nor condemn those that demand evidence.”

            You’ve got that backwards, Metcalfe. He’s actually saying that those of a faith not demanding “empirical” evidence are blessed, not those that have to stick their fingers in other people’s various orifces for proof.

            Those ‘believers’ that had to touch to believe were not exercising the faith that Christ was looking for. Like you and John and pretty much everyone else around here, you have to ‘touch’ to believe… although something tells me that wouldn’t be enough, either.

            Especially with the boy-wonder… right, John?
            ;-)

            • Gideon sez:
              “Those ‘believers’ that had to touch to believe were not exercising the faith that Christ was looking for.”

              I agree 100%. However, Jesus did NOT condemn, belilttle, curse, criticize nor damn those individuals that did not have that type of faith . As a matter of fact Thomas ( the twin ) is now a saint, sitting at the right hand of the father. Right ?

  3. OK —
    I guess my main objection is that we waste alot of money, time and man power on these lawsuits.
    Now … I can hear Xians already now, ” Well if the ACLU wouldn’t challenge this …then there wouldn’t be any money wasted.” Which is technically true, however I’m pretty sure that these same Xians would bring their own lawsuits say if the following were posted:
    5 pillars of Islam
    8 fold path of Buddhism ( which IMO is not a religion, because there is no diety in Buddhism, but that is another discussion )
    Tenets of Hinduism
    etc. etc.

    • Metcalfe, the ACLU, a.k.a. the Anti-Christian Liberal Union, a.k.a. American Criminal Lovers Union, a.k.a. American Commie Low-life UBERbastards, etc, are simply another disciplinary/intimidation/dissident-controlling and eliminating component of the globalist oligarchy that runs your country. Like other elitist attack-dogs, such as the ADL (Anti-Democracy Loons) and JDL, (Judean Demon-possessed Legion) the purpose of the American Communist Lesbians Union is to ensure that no ‘free’ speech gets out of hand… that is to say that no speech defames or exposes their lies and rhetoric and political-correctness for the dog-assed elitist propaganda/bullshit that it is.

      Also, if you want to go around dressed like a swami, reciting eastern mysticism, display it on your house walls, roof and lawn, that’s no skin off my nose, bud. Knock yourself out. Tell all your friends! I need some entertainment! That’s the difference between you and me, son. I don’t force anyone to adhere to my faith, whereas YOU and YOUR “liberal”/”atheist” cronies do.

      Some more facts you can dismiss, John.

  4. It’s not too surprising that they thought it could work, or that they’ll keep trying because there hasn’t been any consistency in rulings for religious displays. When a creche can be made acceptable with the addition of Rudolph or Frosty, then no wonder they felt that they could get their display through as long as there were other things like the Declaration.

    Either all religions have to be equally displayed or no religion can be displayed, and as the former is highly impractical, the decision should be for the latter every time.

  5. Matthew 12:39…

    “But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:”

    That sound consistent with your interpretation of scripture, Metcalfe? As I said, the Missouri-based ‘show me’ crowd do not glean favor with the Lord. It’s those that hear and believe the Word and see the bllatant evidence in the natural world, not believing the kindergarten lies of Darwinism, that will be blessed.

    All others will be toast.

    • Hmmm … lets back up a verse
      Matt 12:38
      “One day some of the Jewish leaders, including some Pharisees, came to Jesus asking him to show them a miracle”
      When Doubting Thomas asked for this empircal evidence … Jesus did exactly what the Jewish leaders asked, a miracle. Jesus gave Thomas a sign … all we are asking is the same thing.
      Additionally, all that says is that ‘no sign will be given’ … NOT that Jesus will damn those that do not believe because the lack of said empirical evidence.

      • “… NOT that Jesus will damn those that do not believe because the lack of said empirical evidence.”
        :lol:

        Metcalfe, if I didn’t know you’re only fucking with me, I’d be worried about you! That’s the most confused reasoning I’ve seen in a while, even for here. I guess, then, that nobody will actually be lost, eh? That the Bible is basically agreeing with yours and other deluded “believers” assumptions that God “just couldn’t fry my lil ol’ ass, cuz I din know no better!” Keep dreaming, son!

        The Pharisees were a lot like you; they despised Christ, and they didn’t get what they wanted, either. Jesus doesn’t do dog and pony acts for fools on demand.

        Now, let’s go ahead a verse… where Jesus informs these arrogant bastards that they have their sign in scripture: citing the example of Jonah who was three days and nights inside a whale. That exemplified the three days and nights Christ would spend in the grave, something any honest student of scripture would have known, anyway. The were just trying to get Him to jump through hoops like you are, now.

        Also, Thomas ISN’T sitting at the Father’s side in Heaven, that is Christ’s place, exclusively. Thomas is DEAD. That’s why we have the promise of a future resurrection, something we wouldn’t need at all if we were all up there, already, strumming harps. That’s another brain-dead pagan belief that got itself enshrined in pseudo-Christian tradition. And, Thomas wasn’t necessarily lost because of his doubt, but, he wasn’t praised for it, either. Neither will infidels be praised for their willful ignorance and doubt.

        Not that you give a shit either way… right, Metcalfe?

  6. I wonder if this recent Supreme Court refusal to hear this case had anything to do with this decision in Giles County, VA?

    • I wonder if the much-vaunted tolerance and respect for others and their cultures, inherent in the liberal ape… AND the touted ‘neutrality’ of the American “atheist” had anything to do with the decision in Giles County, John?

      You think?
      ;-)

  7. Gideon sez:
    Metcalfe, if I didn’t know you’re only fucking with me, I’d be worried about you! That’s the most confused reasoning I’ve seen in a while, even for here. I guess, then, that nobody will actually be lost, eh? That the Bible is basically agreeing with yours and other deluded “believers” assumptions that God “just couldn’t fry my lil ol’ ass, cuz I din know no better!” Keep dreaming, son!
    Metcalfe sez:
    Not sure if nobody will be lost or not. My only point is that Jesus did not damn anybody for asking ( and subsquently receiveing ) empirical evidence of his miraculous events.

    Gideon sez:
    The Pharisees were a lot like you; they despised Christ, and they didn’t get what they wanted, either. Jesus doesn’t do dog and pony acts for fools on demand.
    Metcalfe sez:
    I really don’t ‘despise’ Christ. To me that is like despising Santa, or Ra or Frodo Baggins.

    Gideon sez:
    Now, let’s go ahead a verse… where Jesus informs these arrogant bastards that they have their sign in scripture: citing the example of Jonah who was three days and nights inside a whale. That exemplified the three days and nights Christ would spend in the grave, something any honest student of scripture would have known, anyway. The were just trying to get Him to jump through hoops like you are, now.
    Metcalfe sez:
    Again, 3 days in a fish ( not a whale ) and 3 days in the grave have nothing to do with condemnation for asking ( and again receiving ) for empirical evidence.

    Gideon sez:
    Also, Thomas ISN’T sitting at the Father’s side in Heaven, that is Christ’s place, exclusively. Thomas is DEAD. That’s why we have the promise of a future resurrection, something we wouldn’t need at all if we were all up there, already, strumming harps. That’s another brain-dead pagan belief that got itself enshrined in pseudo-Christian tradition. And, Thomas wasn’t necessarily lost because of his doubt, but, he wasn’t praised for it, either. Neither will infidels be praised for their willful ignorance and doubt.
    Metcalfe sez:
    Wow … so you are saying that all the millions ( if not billions ) of individuals that have died … that NONE of them save Jesus is in heaven? That all these people are DEAD? If so, then you and atheists actually agree.

    Gideon sez:
    Not that you give a shit either way… right, Metcalfe?
    Metcalfe sez:
    Of couse I give a sh*t. Why do you think I ask all these questions? To be honest … I’m hoping to be proven wrong … it is just that as of today … I have not been

      • Oh, and hellfire fodder? Here is something you should see.

        And, here.

        There is where the REAL threat is, and who it is that’s really pushing their agenda on society! Of course, you’ll see nothing wrong with that, because, it’s not Christians doing it, right? And, maybe YOU’RE a turd burglar, yourself, eh Metcalfe?

        Figures.

        • Maybe I am an “turd burglar” … maybe not.
          The reality of that is not germane to the discussion of asking and receiving “Doubting Thomas” type empirical evidence of the existance of god.
          … I’ll even go one further …
          For the sake of arguement, I’ll grant you that homosexuals are brain washing not only children … but eveyone on the face of the planet. Deal?
          Now, where is my ‘Doubting Thomas’ empirical evidence?

          • “Maybe I am an “turd burglar”…”

            Thanks for the admission. It was obvious. The typical malevolence for religion; Christianity in particular, the refusal to accept scriptural facts and their proper interpretation by attempting to insert your own slanderous bullshit into it… add to that a profound ignorance of scripture… all adds up to someone of a lowbrow, sullen temperament and vindictive, bigoted nature.

            “… I’ll grant you that homosexuals are brain washing not only children … but eveyone on the face of the planet.”

            Very true, and thanks for the admission to that, as well. You’ll get special recognition for that comment on my blog post. It’s nice to have someone agree with my assertions, and any fag reading my post will see your comment does that. Coming from another fag, that will be a great endorsement, perhaps making them rethink their perversions.

            And, you have your “empirical evidence” in the scripture I gave, which you obviously (and unsurprisingly) reject. The general context is very evident from those to anyone but a determined bigot. Like it or not, that’s all you’re getting from me. So, I’d say it’s been nice knowing you, but, that would be lying… and I wouldn’t want to be like you, would I?

            Anyway, don’t feel you have to answer that question, as that could require a further response to you from me, which there won’t be.

            Toodles.

            • Gideon sez:
              “Like it or not, that’s all you’re getting from me. So, I’d say it’s been nice knowing you, but, that would be lying… and I wouldn’t want to be like you, would I?”

              I win again. For those keeping score
              I’m 2 – 0

          • You’re wasting your time with him, Metcalfe. He doesn’t understand what empirical evidence is. They don’t learn that in Sunday School.

            • John, you wouldn’t know empirical evidence if it slapped you in the face… which it has done, I’m sure, not only in your dealings with me, but with other commenters that have disproved Evolution’s lies many times over, on this blog.

              You surely accept evolution on a lot less than what you demand from me. Of course, I just chalk it up to bitterness and bad associations… the names of those, I won’t get into.

              I wouldn’t want to be censored or anything.

              • I wouldn’t want to be censored or anything.

                For anyone wondering what he’s blathering on about now, in Metcalfe’s last comment, Gideon called him an “idiot”. I deleted it. Thought I’d save it for a comment for which it applied – like this one.

                Back to the idiot.

                Giddy, you said:

                …but with other commenters that have disproved Evolution’s lies many times over, on this blog.

                So I assume by now you’ve submitted the names and this blog to the Nobel Prize committee in Sweden, because anyone that could disprove evolution would qualify for the Nobel Prize in Biology, hands down. The prize is quite hefty, and I’ll bet you’d get a finder’s fee.

  8. “… because anyone that could disprove evolution would qualify for the Nobel Prize in Biology, hands down.”

    If only it were that easy, John. Unfortunately, there are too many influential and powerful people in this world that think like you. They would never allow it. Just like in your natural science realm, the pagan evolutionists pretty much rule the roost, vilifying and otherwise discrediting all who try to oppose their dogma.

    You’ve proven yet another assertion of mine with your moderation of only me and no one else, here, nevermind your censorship of my comment. But, hey… I’m a reasonable guy! I realize it’s your blog and you’re trying to host a readership, here. I apologize to you and Metcalfe for my use of the “I” word.

    Furthermore, if Metcalfe were to check out any one of the plethora of older Bible commentaries, out there, he would soon see that my interpretation of said scripture is correct. I say “older” in that there has been a rather suspicious turn toward… shall we say… an ‘ultra-liberal’ type of hermeneutical analysis, as of late, particularly in Bible translations. Gee, now… I wonder why that could be?

    Only the shadow knows, eh?

  9. I don’t know which one it is, but there’s a 3rd party comment system with a like/dislike function. The advantage to it is after enough dislikes, the comment is hidden. Any reader has the option of unhiding it of course, but it would be nice to hide away the village idiot’s comments since they clutter up the place. Banning is such an extreme measure.

    • “… but it would be nice to hide away the village idiot’s comments since they clutter up the place. Banning is such an extreme measure.”

      [EDIT DIRECTED AT GIDEON - I've deleted this comment. It's way beyond the original post, it's so off track there's no hope of getting it back on track if you keep running off at the mouth.

      I agree with Philly, so he won't be edited. And he never will be unless he goes psychotic, and so far I don't see even a glimmer of a possibility of that. He's calm, lucid, makes sense, uses logic, presents evidence, all the things you should do but refuse to. You, on the other hand, are all over the place. It's not the use of the word idiot, idiot, it's everything else. That was a hint to you to calm down, maybe get back on your meds. If you can't, I will move your IP and email into the spam column, and you can bay at the moon on your own blog.

      BTW, I see what you did with Metcalfe's comment on your post. It's dishonest, but typical of Christian mentality and apologetics. Google the term "quote mining" to see what you did. Metcalfe was assuming something for the sake of the argument, and you quote it as if he admits what you're trying to prove, the very facts he disputes. That's piss poor argumentation, if you ask me.

      As I said, if you want to be a dishonest, wacko, discredited poster on your own blog, that's up to you.

      It's getting real old here, Gid. You're a pathetic laughing stock, and you clearly don't have the ability to recognize that even Christians find your comments embarrassing. The only reason I let you comment is because you actually make Christians look as stupid as the worst stereotypes out there.

      As my mother used to say "Shape up or ship out".]

    • I enabled ratings here as a little test. I did it once before but didn’t like it, so I turned it off. They’re on for now. I may turn them off again later.

  10. Yes, but do ratings cause poorly rated comments to be hidden? That’s really all I care about.

    Btw, isn’t it amusing how when someone says “village idiot”, Gideon assumes that to mean him? That’s quite telling.

    • Yes. I’ve seen those type of comment systems. I don’t think WordPress does that, or at least I’ve never seen it in the dashboard, or anywhere else.

      I’ll keep the ratings open for a while.

      Btw, isn’t it amusing how when someone says “village idiot”, Gideon assumes that to mean him? That’s quite telling.

      No need to comment. I just wanted to repeat it.

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